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The whole reason behind not having access right now is to limit access. Tesla is coordinating with Ford to give us exclusive access via the BlueOval network. No electrons flow until Tesla knows who to charge. Ford vehicles tell Tesla to charge our BlueOval account, we get electrons. Any other CCS vehicle will be told to "go fish" unless activating a MagicDock.
I currently can charge my Ford using the Tesla app at a Tesla magic dock supercharger so I assume I will be able to charge at any level 2-3 supercharger using the Tesla app once they open up. Could be wrong, but I doubt it.
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I currently can charge my Ford using the Tesla app at a Tesla magic dock supercharger so I assume I will be able to charge at any level 2-3 supercharger using the Tesla app once they open up. Could be wrong, but I doubt it.
Ford already confirmed that we will NOT be using the Tesla app to charge. Also, as it has been discussed in many places, V2 super chargers have a HW limitation and are not compatible. Only V3 and V4 will work.
 

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I disagree. The percentage of people capable of such a feat is so small, that it is not worth them worrying about. Restriction by MAC/VIN is the easiest, most straightforward way to achieve their goal of opening their network in phases. I don't think it's a stunt, it's just good business. They've seen the mess that can happen when there's a free for all and they don't want to tarnish their good reputation. Opening up in a phased roll out makes sense.
It won't be owners as much as it will be makers and entrepreneurs trying to build active adapters and sell them on the internet. It's already a huge mess with the sprinkle of MagicDocks, imagine a slow roll out, with people claiming they can't get it to work, can people asking how it works, people saying they saw it working, people saying it should work because they heard it works. This is going to be a huge mess as it is now. The number one negative question I get with my truck is, I heard it can't tow. Yeah, it's not even a question. 🤦
 

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Ford already confirmed that we will NOT be using the Tesla app to charge. Also, as it has been discussed in many places, V2 super chargers have a HW limitation and are not compatible. Only V3 and V4 will work.
My bad meant to say V3 & 4
 

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Ford already confirmed that we will NOT be using the Tesla app to charge. Also, as it has been discussed in many places, V2 super chargers have a HW limitation and are not compatible. Only V3 and V4 will work.
This is just an empty promise with no timeline. You really think Tesla would risk Ford shit working 100% of the time without the backup of their network. LOL. FordPass complaints across ownership are as sure as the sun rises.
 

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It won't be owners as much as it will be makers and entrepreneurs trying to build active adapters and sell them on the internet. It's already a huge mess with the sprinkle of MagicDocks, imagine a slow roll out, with people claiming they can't get it to work, can people asking how it works, people saying they saw it working, people saying it should work because they heard it works. This is going to be a huge mess as it is now. The number one negative question I get with my truck is, I heard it can't tow. Yeah, it's not even a question. 🤦
I think you underestimate what an active adapter would need to do in order to work properly. If such an adapter where easily made and marketable, we'd already be seeing stories about them. Tesla is not a slouch when it comes to software, they'll do it right cuz they have too much pride to mess it up. Yes, that means I'm putting a lot of blind faith in them. I think they have earned a little. Though I have no first hand experience using their hardware yet, so many I'm missing something.
 

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This is just an empty promise with no timeline. You really think Tesla would risk Ford shit working 100% of the time without the backup of their network. LOL. FordPass complaints across ownership are as sure as the sun rises.
I've had 100% success using plug and charge with EA. If EA can do it, I'd like to think Tesla can. And there is a timeline, spring '24. I did say I'm guessing.

I would like to point out that there was a LOT of people that where vehement about Ford not giving away free adapters. You never know, I like to keep an open mind.
 

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I see stories all over the forum about people not getting any updates for a long time or never getting one since they bought their truck.

I get that there could be bugs in the latest software but there’s no reason for some owners to be running 4.XX when 6.XX has been out for a while and 7.XX is almost here.
I am one of these with only 1 update since 2023. I still cannot see the battery SOC % on my dash. However, I am attributing these delays to the BMS issue CSP (rightly or wrongly)
 

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My guess is that our truck will provide its VIN, Tesla will poll the Ford cloud, "Hey Ford, this guy one of yours?". If Ford says yes, electrons flow. The worrying aspect of this guess is the reliability of Ford's cloud.

I’d simply provide a list of VINs to white list for Tesla. It’s not like there’s millions of Ford EV VINs. You could dump all of the Ford EV VINs into an Excel spreadsheet and it wouldn’t freak out.
 

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I’d simply provide a list of VINs to white list for Tesla. It’s not like there’s millions of Ford EV VINs. You could dump all of the Ford EV VINs into an Excel spreadsheet and it wouldn’t freak out.
But the payment is through the Blue Oval network so Ford will have to verify that the account is open and has a valid payment method.
 

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But the payment is through the Blue Oval network so Ford will have to verify that the account is open and has a valid payment method.
Yea plug and charge isn't near as simple as people think it is. Across platforms it's never been done before and people think it's just going to work. Ford can't even coordinate software across their own modules without years of bugs.
 

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Yea plug and charge isn't near as simple as people think it is. Across platforms it's never been done before and people think it's just going to work. Ford can't even coordinate software across their own modules without years of bugs.
I‘m optimistic since Ford has made plug and charge work with EA. At least with Tesla one side has some IT competence.
 

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I‘m optimistic since Ford has made plug and charge work with EA. At least with Tesla one side has some IT competence.
Don’t be. I had Plug&Charge working with EVgo but the only way I could get a charge at Flying J was to activate the charger with the FordPass app BEFORE plugging in. I expect to have to activate the Superchargers using FordPass app before plugging in just like I have to do with Flying J chargers.
 

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Don’t be. I had Plug&Charge working with EVgo but the only way I could get a charge at Flying J was to activate the charger with the FordPass app BEFORE plugging in. I expect to have to activate the Superchargers using FordPass app before plugging in just like I have to do with Flying J chargers.
That’s because the EVGo units at Flying J are actually not owned by EVGo. They are part of GMs Ultium network and they just use EVGo equipment. Also, EVGo doesn’t actually use Plug and Charge, they use Autocharge+. Plug and Charge requires full ISO 15118 compatibility which EA and Tesla have but Autocharge+ just reads the MAC address of the charge controller. That’s why you have to plug your vehicle in and start a charge from the app when you set up EVGo Autocharge so the system can associate your MAC with your account.
 
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Kind of like how they restrict salvaged Teslas on their network?
So Ford would have to hand over the VIN of every car they have made with CCS.
I guess this would allow use without the FORD BLUE OVAL but then Tesla would need to made superchargers select-able for those users like Magic Docks. This may be more intensive then making us go through Blue Oval to activate. Then they would not need a VIN or an update to their APP
There is a manufacturer code in the VIN. Easy enough to filter by that without the specific VINS.
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