What is more valuable, dual chargers or heat pump for a MN driver?

[strahanjen]

I'm considering buying a Lightning, and am torn between the 2023 and 2024. I live in MN where winters can get quite cold, so the heat pump available in the 2024 sounds like it will help to retain range in the colder temperatures. I've read in the forums that dual onboard AC chargers were removed for the 2024 models. But, I don't understand what the implications would be for me. Does this mean that the 2024s with the single charger will charge more slowly than the 2023s? If so, is it a big enough difference to care? Is there another benefit to dual vs. single chargers that I should know about? Is there enough of a difference that I would want to sacrifice getting the model with the heat pump? To be honest, this stuff is greek to me.

I'd love to hear from anyone who has driven a 2024 in very cold temps. Did the heat pump help to preserve range? Of course, with how warm it was this winter, maybe nobody has had a chance to fully put this to the test!

Thanks for the help with understanding the options!

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[The Weatherman]

Dual chargers onboard allow for charging the truck nearly twice as fast on an 80Amp/120V charger than with a single 48Amp charger onboard. It depends on your daily usage situation as to how much that matters.

The heat pump is definitely a better heating/cooling technology and does improve range by reducing electricity consumption during the hottest and coldest parts of the year.

So, it comes down to your preference and utilization.

 

[strahanjen]

Thanks for the quick reply. So for the 2024, I found the following on the website. Do you know where I can find the equivalent values for the 2023? Or would I just cut these values in half?

Using Direct Current (DC) fast charging:

• The 2024 F-150 Lightning Standard Range (98 kWh battery) can charge from 15-80% in about 32 minutes.*
• The 2024 F-150 Lightning Extended Range (131 kWh battery) can charge from 15-80% in about 38 minutes.*

Using Level 2 Alternating Current (AC) charging:

• The 2024 F-150 Lightning Standard Range (98 kWh battery) can charge from 15-80% in about 10 hours.*
• The 2024 F-150 Lightning Extended Range (131 kWh battery) can charge from 15-80% in about 13 hours.*

 

[Maquis]

Thanks for the quick reply. So for the 2024, I found the following on the website. Do you know where I can find the equivalent values for the 2023? Or would I just cut these values in half?

Using Direct Current (DC) fast charging:

• The 2024 F-150 Lightning Standard Range (98 kWh battery) can charge from 15-80% in about 32 minutes.*
• The 2024 F-150 Lightning Extended Range (131 kWh battery) can charge from 15-80% in about 38 minutes.*

Using Level 2 Alternating Current (AC) charging:

• The 2024 F-150 Lightning Standard Range (98 kWh battery) can charge from 15-80% in about 10 hours.*
• The 2024 F-150 Lightning Extended Range (131 kWh battery) can charge from 15-80% in about 13 hours.*

DC fast charging is not impacted.
Yes, L2 would be about 55% of those times for the ER. Dual chargers were on ER only.

 

[RickLightning]

Thanks for the quick reply. So for the 2024, I found the following on the website. Do you know where I can find the equivalent values for the 2023? Or would I just cut these values in half?

Using Direct Current (DC) fast charging:

• The 2024 F-150 Lightning Standard Range (98 kWh battery) can charge from 15-80% in about 32 minutes.*
• The 2024 F-150 Lightning Extended Range (131 kWh battery) can charge from 15-80% in about 38 minutes.*

Using Level 2 Alternating Current (AC) charging:

• The 2024 F-150 Lightning Standard Range (98 kWh battery) can charge from 15-80% in about 10 hours.*
• The 2024 F-150 Lightning Extended Range (131 kWh battery) can charge from 15-80% in about 13 hours.*

The dual chargers only impact AC charging. Simple math:

80amp x 240 - 7% loss = 17.9kW
48 x 240 - 7% loss = 10.7kW

131 / 10.7 vs 131/ 17.9

And how much would you use a day?

And can you install a 100amp circuit?

 

[marc_hanna]

A heat pump will use about half as much (or more) energy as an electric resistance wire heater. So down to about -15 Celsius (5 Fahrenheit) you will have some pretty significant savings in range. However efficiency of heat pumps drop a lot at lower temperatures and may be identical to a resistance wire heater at -25C. In winter, your range will already be impacted by the cold ambient temps, so depending on your needs you may see a significant benefit.

 

[Daragh]

I have the 2023 Lariat ER, I charge at home 95% of the time, I have a FordCharge Station Pro with 80A capability but I have the current limited to 50A just to be a little easier on the battery, which is pretty much the same as having a single 48A. I typically only charge my truck to 70% and let it go down to 40%. My 50A can recharge this in about 3-4 hours which is easily done over night.

If it was me I would choose having the heat pump over the dual chargers. It'll give you better range and its just a much better technology than resistive heating in general even ignoring the energy usage.

Good luck with getting your truck, no matter which model year you choose I'm sure you'll love driving it!

 

[Randall Stephens]

I'm considering buying a Lightning, and am torn between the 2023 and 2024. I live in MN where winters can get quite cold, so the heat pump available in the 2024 sounds like it will help to retain range in the colder temperatures. I've read in the forums that dual onboard AC chargers were removed for the 2024 models. But, I don't understand what the implications would be for me. Does this mean that the 2024s with the single charger will charge more slowly than the 2023s? If so, is it a big enough difference to care? Is there another benefit to dual vs. single chargers that I should know about? Is there enough of a difference that I would want to sacrifice getting the model with the heat pump? To be honest, this stuff is greek to me.

I'd love to hear from anyone who has driven a 2024 in very cold temps. Did the heat pump help to preserve range? Of course, with how warm it was this winter, maybe nobody has had a chance to fully put this to the test!

Thanks for the help with understanding the options!

How far do you tow? How much do you tow? Can you install a 100amp breaker for your level 2 charger? So you road trip? Or do you mostly stay in town with commutes to work or the local adult establishments?

 

[Heliian]

Go with the 2024.

I use 48a at home and found it to be more than adequate for my 23 ER.

Being in Canada, a heat pump would be my only want.

The 2024s also have the most current software and components that have been improved over the last 2 model years.

At the end of the day though, if you're getting a good deal on a 23 over a 24 I'd go with 23. However, I would personally be looking at the 2024 flash vs the 23 Lariat and see which is a better deal.

 

[GarageMahal]

At home charge speed is mostly irrelevant as long as it gets completed over night. I have actually derated mine down to 30 amps from 48.

I would go with whatever has the best price. In a tie I would choose the heat pump.

 

[luebri]

I would go with whatever has the best price. In a tie I would choose the heat pump.

This . If there is a decent savings on the 2023 take the savings.

also, No 2024s are on the road yet that I am aware so it will be many months before anyone really can test in frigid conditions to see how this heat pump truly helps. It’s a Complete unknown at this point.

that said, I do like my 80amp FCSP and do have it on 100A breaker, but 99% of the time I have not needed that rate of charge and know i could easily operate at 48amp or lower.

 

[BennyTheBeaver]

I'd buy whatever you can get the best deal on that you're happy with. Neither of those are worth choosing one model year over the other IMO.

 

[tearitupsports]

Just a thought...A heat pump is no doubt going to have much better efficiency. The resistance heater may actually be a lot better at heating. When its -20 out, you might want a warm truck in 5 minutes instead of 15 minutes (And I am just making up those numbers). Based on videos from a little while ago, the lightning was significantly faster at heating up the cabin compared to other vehicles, but at the cost of range reduction.

 

[Randall Stephens]

If you’re worried about winter range in the deep cold, chances are your resistive heater will be running. The ability to put 30 or 40 percent more range per hour in may mean leaving full in the morning or not if you’re getting home with low charge levels. If you can somehow get a fleet ER with both, that would be ideal.

 

[Grumpy2]

We had two winters in New Hope, Minn and I am happy to be in warmer climate now! The resistance heater is quick but with the big interior it will take a long time to be comfortable with either if the truck is left outside. One big plus, you start the truck in a closed garage and let it run for 35 minutes and it will be toasty with either system before you open the garage door. Another plus is the 120 volt electric blankets and electric seats, both of which are quick and won't effect the truck's range.

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