Charging at 80 amps on EVSE Other Than Ford CSP?

[capt_ramius]

United Chargers, who makes all the Grizzl-E EVSEs, is claiming that Ford Lightnings can only charge at 80 amps on the Ford Charge Station Pro.



Has anyone charged at 80 amps (or more than 48 amps) on an AC/L2 EVSE other than the Ford Charge Station Pro?

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[GDN]

I don't believe this to be true, but I can't test to prove differently. I have a Gen 2 Tesla charger which could do 80 amps and I have an adapter rated for 80, but I'm only connected to a 60 amp circuit. I don't believe the truck knows which brand it is connected to. I believe it could do 80 from the Tesla I have if I had it connected to a 100 amp circuit.

Regardless of what it can or can't do, this would only apply to '22's and '23's as they dropped the dual chargers on the '24's. 80 amp isn't possible with the truck.

 

[CD4TNF]

48 amps x 240 volts = 11 kW per hour.

A Lightning ER battery is 131 kWh.

131 kWh / 11 kW = 11.4 hrs charge time on a 48 amp charger connected to a 60 amp circuit breaker. Not 20-24hrs.


To get 20-24 hrs charge time, that means a charge speed of 5.5kW-6.5kW. Those are weird amp breakers to get those kW. The closest would be a 30 amp breaker outputting 24 amps / 5.8 kW. Which is not their claim.


Their 80 amp charge time is off by 2 hrs. Same calculations gets me 6.8 hrs of charging on an 80 amp EVSC at 19.2 kW. They say 9 hrs.



What am I missing about Grizzl-E's claim of 20-24hrs? I'm very confused.

 

[Grease Lightning]

What am I missing about Grizzl-E's claim of 20-24hrs? I'm very confused.

They are claiming it on their X account in the comments. It is a horrible post, trying to use the '24 as an example, without knowing none have it unless spec'd out in a fleet purchase.

Just a questionable post from a clearly uninformed person mad cause it makes their evse look bad.

 

[Pioneer74]

I'm willing to bet that the customers that are complaining that their trucks are only using 48A are ones with a single onboard charger.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

48 amps x 240 volts = 11 kW per hour.

A Lightning ER battery is 131 kWh.

131 kWh / 11 kW = 11.4 hrs charge time on a 48 amp charger connected to a 60 amp circuit breaker. Not 20-24hrs.


To get 20-24 hrs charge time, that means a charge speed of 5.5kW-6.5kW. Those are weird amp breakers to get those kW. The closest would be a 30 amp breaker outputting 24 amps / 5.8 kW. Which is not their claim.


Their 80 amp charge time is off by 2 hrs. Same calculations gets me 6.8 hrs of charging on an 80 amp EVSC at 19.2 kW. They say 9 hrs.



What am I missing about Grizzl-E's claim of 20-24hrs? I'm very confused.

Yeah, it's full of factual errors, so I find it difficult to believe anything they claim.

I've seen YouTube videos of an earlier than 2024 Lightning charging at 70A on a brand-T wallbox, but I don't know if I find that compelling.

I will be charging on a >48 Amp EVSE in a day or two. I'll try to remember to run CarScanner.

 

[tls]

I can't read that to reach the conclusion you seem to. Anyway 2023 and earlier ER trucks charge fine on 80A chargers. The 2nd-generation Tesla HPWC paired with a high quality 80A adapter like the A2Z is a popular choice. I have also heard that Wattzilla 80A chargers work fine and Clipper Creek makes, or used to anyway, an 80A model as well.

The only 80A chargers known not to work are the original Gen1 Tesla HPWC units which put out a dirty pilot signal our trucks can't decode properly.

I have a total of 5 Gen2 HPWCs. My 2022 Lariat ER works great with all of them.

 

[Pioneer74]

United Chargers, who makes all the Grizzl-E EVSEs, is claiming that Ford Lightnings can only charge at 80 amps on the Ford Charge Station Pro.



Has anyone charged at 80 amps (or more than 48 amps) on an AC/L2 EVSE other than the Ford Charge Station Pro?

Can anybody that has an X account check the 4 replies (at the time of this post) to see if anybody has commented on testing pre '24 model trucks?

 

[capt_ramius]

Can anybody that has an X account check the 4 replies (at the time of this post) to see if anybody has commented on testing pre '24 model trucks?

They’re claiming it’s a 2024 Fleet Edition Lightning that is optioned with the 80 amp onboard charger (which is an option for fleet ordered Lightnings) that charges at 80 amps on the Ford Pro charger at work but will only charge at 48 amps on their Grizzl-E Ultimate (80 amp) charger at home.

I pressed him if he verified the report or contacted Ford or Ford Pro about the accusation that 2024 Fleet Edition Lightnings optioned with 80 onboard chargers will only charge at 80 amps on Ford Pro chargers but not other EVSEs. Of course he hadn’t.

And I mean “Ford Pro” as in Ford Charging Station Pros that are enabled through the Ford Pro fleet management/telematics ecosystem.

 

[TaxmanHog]

The FCSP typically pumps out 75 to 77 amps to my truck 2022 Lariat-ER.
I've never seen 80 amps, but 77 is close enough for government work .... LOL.

 

[Pioneer74]

I don't see how Ford could lock the 80 amp limit to their own charger. From what I know of the Control Pilot signals, they only communicate what the max available amperage draw is. The vehicle doesn't know, or care, the brand of charger connected.

 

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