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[Altivec]

My guess is that they got caught with their pants down AGAIN. EV sales are jumping and their next gen delays are going to cost them dearly. Compared to the competition. the lightning is starting to look pretty bad from a range/charging stand point. GM is going to eat their lunch in 2025 and even worse, Ford doesn't even have anything planned for 2026. The only thing they can do now to even attempt to stop the bleeding is to sell strictly on price. Try to trim off as much as you can to lower the cost and then lower the price so that people choose it over a better more expensive vehicle from someone else. Just poor decision making. Just as they reached the tipping point in EV sales, they have nothing in the near term pipeline to keep the momentum going. They really need 350kw charging more than anything. If they can some how manage to sneak that in the current gen Lightning in 2026, I think that's all it would take to lead the pack.

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[detansinn]

My guess is that they got caught with their pants down AGAIN. EV sales are jumping and their next gen delays are going to cost them dearly. Compared to the competition. the lightning is starting to look pretty bad from a range/charging stand point. GM is going to eat their lunch in 2025 and even worse, Ford doesn't even have anything planned for 2026. The only thing they can do now to even attempt to stop the bleeding is to sell strictly on price. Try to trim off as much as you can to lower the cost and then lower the price so that people choose it over a better more expensive vehicle from someone else. Just poor decision making. Just as they reached the tipping point in EV sales, they have nothing in the near term pipeline to keep the momentum going. They really need 350kw charging more than anything. If they can some how manage to sneak that in the current gen Lightning in 2026, I think that's all it would take to lead the pack.

Dynamically, the Silverado sucks to drive compared to the Lightning and consistently loses to the Ford in reviews. The Chevy is just too heavy

You’re not going to see 350kw charging with a 400V electrical system. Truth be told, the Lightning’s charging curve isn’t bad at all for a 400V EV.

The F150 Lightning is the cheapest and most proven EV truck platform. There’s a reason that Ford sells so many of them.

 

[Pioneer74]

You’re not going to see 350kw charging with a 400V electrical system.

GM has a 400V system with 350kW charging. By switching connections internally, they split the battery pack into two smaller packs and run them in paralell. 800V pack and faster charging using the same amperage.

 

[detansinn]

GM has a 400V system with 350kW charging. By switching connections internally, they split the battery pack into two smaller packs and run them in paralell. 800V pack and faster charging using the same amperage.

True, but that duality of its architecture is not an easy retrofit.

 

[tls]

The 18" spare has roughly the same outside diameter as the 20" wheels and tire. Ford calls it a dissimilar spare. Same as the ICE trucks.

Again, a cost savings.

It must be right on the verge of "roughly" unless the tire is a very unusual size or not true to the marked size (I've never looked, and my truck is parked in a pile of salty snow right now so I'm not going to this morning!). There just isn't a common 18" size that is close enough to the 20" outer diameter to avoid annoying speedometer error when swapping all four. I'm a little surprised the ABS / traction control / stability control systems can deal with this.

 

[3rdgenfan]

The spare on my '23 is a 265/70/18. It isn't like they're giving you a space saving donut, the ABS and stability control won't freak out because the diameter of all wheel options are within .3" of each other.

 

[Oafy44]

My guess is that they got caught with their pants down AGAIN. EV sales are jumping and their next gen delays are going to cost them dearly. Compared to the competition. the lightning is starting to look pretty bad from a range/charging stand point. GM is going to eat their lunch in 2025 and even worse, Ford doesn't even have anything planned for 2026. The only thing they can do now to even attempt to stop the bleeding is to sell strictly on price. Try to trim off as much as you can to lower the cost and then lower the price so that people choose it over a better more expensive vehicle from someone else. Just poor decision making. Just as they reached the tipping point in EV sales, they have nothing in the near term pipeline to keep the momentum going. They really need 350kw charging more than anything. If they can some how manage to sneak that in the current gen Lightning in 2026, I think that's all it would take to lead the pack.

I think you’re right. Typical corporate c suite execs and Farley caving every second to political pressure. The second I saw Elon musk was a Trump guy I literally said to myself Foed is making a big mistake cutting production.

3 of my neighbors have gotten a lighting since end of November and I live in Georgia. So if that’s happening in my gods I bet it’s happening In a lot of places.
This should have been the year of the refresh

 

[bmwhitetx]

It must be right on the verge of "roughly" unless the tire is a very unusual size or not true to the marked size (I've never looked, and my truck is parked in a pile of salty snow right now so I'm not going to this morning!). There just isn't a common 18" size that is close enough to the 20" outer diameter to avoid annoying speedometer error when swapping all four. I'm a little surprised the ABS / traction control / stability control systems can deal with this.

I think you’re forgetting that even though the wheel is smaller, the tire sidewall is taller. And purposely taller to very closely match the overall size of the existing tires. And this is a spare. We’re not talking about swapping out all four. It’s to be used on a temporary basis. Same spare used on all Lightnings since the dawn of Lightnings. Just no longer standard on 2025’s, but available as an option.

 

[broncoaz]

I think you’re forgetting that even though the wheel is smaller, the tire sidewall is taller. And purposely taller to very closely match the overall size of the existing tires. And this is a spare. We’re not talking about swapping out all four. It’s to be used on a temporary basis. Same spare used on all Lightnings since the dawn of Lightnings. Just no longer standard on 2025’s, but available as an option.

So f-ing stupid. The Cybertruck doesn’t include a spare. The Silverado EV WT has a donut that is accessed through a couple ports in the bed. The Silverado EV RST has an aerodynamic belly pan where the spare should be and comes with just an inflator. The people designing these trucks are not designing them to be used as work trucks by tradespeople.

When I was managing a fleet of 150 trucks we had at least one flat tire per week. For the 3500-4500’s we kept a replacement tire and rim for each on the service trucks, the chassis cabs don’t come with a spare. For 1500’-2500’s the road mechanics would go to the site and swap the spare, then take the tire for repair or replacement and swap back when done. Occasionally we had the driver stop by the tire shop and do the repair/replace themselves, but usually only if they were remote. The trucks would end up rolling on the spare for a day. Although it wasn’t a matching tire and rim, it was a matching size and a non temporary tire.

 

[tls]

I think you’re forgetting that even though the wheel is smaller, the tire sidewall is taller. And purposely taller to very closely match the overall size of the existing tires. And this is a spare. We’re not talking about swapping out all four. It’s to be used on a temporary basis. Same spare used on all Lightnings since the dawn of Lightnings. Just no longer standard on 2025’s, but available as an option.

I'm aware of all that. Try to find a "normal" 18" tire that's rated for our vehicles and actually is close enough in size to the 20" stock to not cause annoying speedometer error. Not easy. I was expressing my mild surprise that that doesn't result in an issue with the 18" temp spare when used with 3 20" tires on the other wheels.

 

[broncoaz]

I'm aware of all that. Try to find a "normal" 18" tire that's rated for our vehicles and actually is close enough in size to the 20" stock to not cause annoying speedometer error. Not easy. I was expressing my mild surprise that that doesn't result in an issue with the 18" temp spare when used with 3 20" tires on the other wheels.

The AT tires on my Flash are only 115T rated, same as a ICE F-150. Had I realized that when finding a truck I would’ve speced the all season tires instead for the additional load capacity. I also would’ve speced the spray in bedliner, but I forgot and will add a drop in liner now. Fortunately this truck is a lease, so not that big a deal.

 

[Altivec]

Dynamically, the Silverado sucks to drive compared to the Lightning and consistently loses to the Ford in reviews. The Chevy is just too heavy

You’re not going to see 350kw charging with a 400V electrical system. Truth be told, the Lightning’s charging curve isn’t bad at all for a 400V EV.

The F150 Lightning is the cheapest and most proven EV truck platform. There’s a reason that Ford sells so many of them.

You don't have to tell me. There are a lot of reason why the Lightning is way better than the GM's. One of the best is its body on frame construction (I really hope they don't go unibody like the rest in the next gen). The problem is people are not educated about EV's. If you go to any review channel on Youtube, all you see is that "range and charging speed is everything" and "GM is the EV towing champ"as if getting an extra 60miles when towing now makes EV trucks towing monsters. Range anxiety is real to those that never had an EV. They will sacrifice other things to get it. 2024 was GM's transition year so Ford did not too bad with being the overall better truck at a cheaper price. However, GM's 2025 lineup should look very scary to Ford. They have introduced many more lower cost models that still crush the lightning in range and charging. With the price difference getting less and less, I can't see Ford holding the crown in 2025. I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see it. The only way is to do as I said, go for price and cut features and costs as much as you can. But then we have 2026 coming and Ford still has nothing. Sorry but I just don't see this panning out well. If they stuck with their timeline, 2025 would have been a monumental EV year. Too much being reactionary instead of visionary.

I knew that they needed to up electrical system to 800V to get faster charging but not really sure exactly what's involved with that. I'm pretty sure the batteries are the same, so what is needed to that? thicker guage wires? some more robust components?

 

[StevenC56]

Anybody here own a GM BEV model? I don't know anyone who does and would like to hear what their experience is as far as issues, software updates and dealer support. I do know the Service Manager at our local Honda dealership and found out that the Honda Prologue is totally a GM EV chassis and electronics. My friend says they are having tons of issues and they have to use GM support which is apparently a total pooch screw.

 

[TaxmanHog]

Anybody here own a GM BEV model? I don't know anyone who does and would like to hear what their experience is as far as issues, software updates and dealer support. I do know the Service Manager at our local Honda dealership and found out that the Honda Prologue is totally a GM EV chassis and electronics. My friend says they are having tons of issues and they have to use GM support which is apparently a total pooch screw.

We have at least one former Lightning owner who switched over, name escapes me at the moment, search might turn up the thread. https://www.f150lightningforum.com/forum/forums/lightning-vs.96/

 

[bmwhitetx]

Anybody here own a GM BEV model? I don't know anyone who does and would like to hear what their experience is as far as issues, software updates and dealer support. I do know the Service Manager at our local Honda dealership and found out that the Honda Prologue is totally a GM EV chassis and electronics. My friend says they are having tons of issues and they have to use GM support which is apparently a total pooch screw.

Well if an active forum is any indication, there aren't any owners. Our forum has sister sites that are very active for F150 14th gen and Mach-E. But their Siverado EV site is a wasteland of posts from cryptos and psychics. No meaningful posts for months. Looks like no active moderation. They need a @TaxmanHog !

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