Mike Levine Tweets 100% Charge @ 288 miles

[bryan995]

You will not get 288 miles in the SR unless you're driving at low speeds in favorable terrain and weather.

It's fun to speculate, but you will be very disappointed if you think you're going to get this mileage in your SR with normal use.

I will be very happy if the ER gets 288 miles in 40 degree ambient temps.

That’s my entire point. That’s likely how this demo SR has been treated it’s entire life. And why it shows such a higher than normal predicted range. Real world realistic? No. Fun marketing opportunity? Yes. It’s also why this tweet exists in the first place. Ford execs are not going to share and celebrate a tweet showing a miss on specs this early on.

Not counting on it. Own multiple Tesla, most being SR trim. I know that for 99% of days I drive <20 miles. ER is simply not needed. Even towing some skis to the ocean would be a 30 mile round trip. Driving to Vegas / LA you’d have to stop to charge no matter what. So SR vs ER makes almost no difference. And generally I think that holds for 99% of owners. Anyone claiming they need the ER to support heavy use etc will be likely disappointed :/ EV is simply not yet there, stick to ICE (diesel).

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[greenne]

I'm going to go all negative here for a moment...but I can't help but wonder where the common sense went? Not calling anyone out....but for anyone to think the SR is ever gong to get 288mi and/or the ER is ever going to get 400mi+ is not rational. Not even close to reality town. I'm hoping its just wishful, whimsical thinking otherwise there will be a lot of disappointed future owners out there.

Same train of thought to those that think something is drastically "wrong" with the ER getting(or estimating) 288mi, If you're expecting the ER to get 320mi every day, every weather condition you're going to be disappointed. If the ER gets 290mi on a consistent basis(regardless of weather) I'd be really happy.

This is just the latest evolution of one of these threads that devolves into some sort of conspiracy theory that Ford is using some "secret" battery pack or conversely Ford is severely underestimating or overestimating range. Ultimately someone will get pissed because they think Ford guaranteed them a 320mi range and it *appears* they won't/aren't gonna get it. Rinse and repeat, over and over.

 

[greenne]

Now for info you can use....check out article below. It describes how the intelligent range system works and how it will accurately predict the range within 5% based on route, terrain, speed limits, etc.

Perhaps Mike Levine chose a route with hills or he is heavy on the throttle...lol

https://www.businessinsider.com/ford-f150-lightning-ev-range-darren-palmer-2021-5

"Ford's Intelligent Range system creates a profile for each driver and assesses how far they can expect to travel between charges based on their driving habits. It also factors in the topography on a given route to account for any battery-draining climbs or energy-saving descents, Palmer said. Wind speed, weather conditions, and traffic are downloaded from the cloud and added to the calculation, too.

Ford introduced Intelligent Range in the Mustang Mach-E crossover, and Palmer claims he drives his Mach-E down to 20 miles before looking to charge because he's learned to trust the vehicle's estimates.

"It says what it does and it does what it says," according to Palmer. "

 

[GDN]

Now for info you can use....check out article below. It describes how the intelligent range system works and how it will accurately predict the range within 5% based on route, terrain, speed limits, etc.

Perhaps Mike Levine chose a route with hills or he is heavy on the throttle...lol

https://www.businessinsider.com/ford-f150-lightning-ev-range-darren-palmer-2021-5

"Ford's Intelligent Range system creates a profile for each driver and assesses how far they can expect to travel between charges based on their driving habits. It also factors in the topography on a given route to account for any battery-draining climbs or energy-saving descents, Palmer said. Wind speed, weather conditions, and traffic are downloaded from the cloud and added to the calculation, too.

Ford introduced Intelligent Range in the Mustang Mach-E crossover, and Palmer claims he drives his Mach-E down to 20 miles before looking to charge because he's learned to trust the vehicle's estimates.

"It says what it does and it does what it says," according to Palmer. "

That sounds all good - but to predict anything or to Know how far you can go like that you'll need a destination in the Nav right? From the very very little we know - that is simply the GOM - Guess O Meter - saying I am 100% charged and on this cold day I would estimate you can drive 288 miles. Enter a destination and then that information can be calculated. We have no idea if he had a destination in the Nav or not.

Simply not enough information from the Tweets to know.

 

[greenne]

That sounds all good - but to predict anything or to Know how far you can go like that you'll need a destination in the Nav right? From the very very little we know - that is simply the GOM - Guess O Meter - saying I am 100% charged and on this cold day I would estimate you can drive 288 miles. Enter a destination and then that information can be calculated. We have no idea if he had a destination in the Nav or not.

Simply not enough information from the Tweets to know.

Thats my guess also.

. Just annoyed that everyone "jumps" on and reacts to one simple snapshot of the GOM. We can't draw any conclusions based upon one snapshot..yet here we are. People have wild expectations on this vehicle and are set for a huge dose of reality.

I would be very happy with 288mi in very cold temperatures. For a vehicle without a heat pump thats pretty darn good...

 

[VTbuckeye]

Our Chevy bolt with a 239 mile range would give us anywhere from 140 to 305 mile GOM range prediction. I could make the 305 drop to 285 with the press of one button (climate control on). That 140 would be 0F heat on cold soaked battery... 288 could happen in an SR with speeds less than 50, temps in the 60s to low 70s climate control off gentle driving and doing this consistently enough to have it be the predicted driving pattern.

 

[greenne]

Our Chevy bolt with a 239 mile range would give us anywhere from 140 to 305 mile GOM range prediction. I could make the 305 drop to 285 with the press of one button (climate control on). That 140 would be 0F heat on cold soaked battery... 288 could happen in an SR with speeds less than 50, temps in the 60s to low 70s climate control off gentle driving and doing this consistently enough to have it be the predicted driving pattern.

Sounds rational for first generation EVs. Todays EVs probably have less variable range and range estimates with advances in software, battery technology and AI.

However I do think people underestimate the variability that is part of EV life. I also do think the variance of use cases makes any one persons "range" with the Lightning hard to predict. Some people will never use this more than a commuter vehicle with a trip the Home depot every once on awhile, others will use it to tow/haul around a farm. No two owners will be the same and the range will vary accordingly(also due to terrain and weather).

 

[beatle]

A Bolt isn't a first gen EV. It was released in 2016.

The GOM can be borderline useless because it doesn't know where you're going or how fast. I changed my GOM to a percentage of charge only a few months after owning my car because it didn't provide any useful info on how far the car could go.

However, the estimator for remaining range in the navigation is useful since that tries to account for terrain and estimated speeds depending on the roads it plots.

 

[greenne]

A Bolt isn't a first gen EV. It was released in 2016.

The GOM can be borderline useless because it doesn't know where you're going or how fast. I changed my GOM to a percentage of charge only a few months after owning my car because it didn't provide any useful info on how far the car could go.

However, the estimator for remaining range in the navigation is useful since that tries to account for terrain and estimated speeds depending on the roads it plots.

Perhaps previous generation is a better descriptor. However one could argue about the true start to first gen.

 

[LightningShow]

That’s my entire point. That’s likely how this demo SR has been treated it’s entire life. And why it shows such a higher than normal predicted range. Real world realistic? No. Fun marketing opportunity? Yes. It’s also why this tweet exists in the first place. Ford execs are not going to share and celebrate a tweet showing a miss on specs this early on.

This is the only reason I'd suspect it might be an SR. Levine in Director of Communications, his job is to make the products look good. Not to say 288 is *bad* even for the ER (that's the exact estimated range for the highway cycle), I just wouldn't be surprised if he posted it to show what range the SR can theoretically get.

Our Chevy bolt with a 239 mile range would give us anywhere from 140 to 305 mile GOM range prediction. I could make the 305 drop to 285 with the press of one button (climate control on). That 140 would be 0F heat on cold soaked battery... 288 could happen in an SR with speeds less than 50, temps in the 60s to low 70s climate control off gentle driving and doing this consistently enough to have it be the predicted driving pattern.

Right, it should be possible to get 288 in an SR. I've gotten 350 miles projected range out of my 60kWh Bolt driving solely on 30-55mph roadways (6.0 mi/kWh!). That's not a normal use case for me but I did have a stretch where I was driving 100% off highway. A similar use case would result in over 288 miles of range in an SR truck, probably even at the cooler temps. Estimated city cycle efficiency (based on mpge) for the Lightning is 2.72 mi/kWh. 288mi at 98kWh is only 2.94 mi/kWh. It's hardly a stretch to get that.

That being said, it's much more likely that it's just an ER truck.

 

[Maquis]

Now for info you can use....check out article below. It describes how the intelligent range system works and how it will accurately predict the range within 5% based on route, terrain, speed limits, etc.

Perhaps Mike Levine chose a route with hills or he is heavy on the throttle...lol

https://www.businessinsider.com/ford-f150-lightning-ev-range-darren-palmer-2021-5

"Ford's Intelligent Range system creates a profile for each driver and assesses how far they can expect to travel between charges based on their driving habits. It also factors in the topography on a given route to account for any battery-draining climbs or energy-saving descents, Palmer said. Wind speed, weather conditions, and traffic are downloaded from the cloud and added to the calculation, too.

Ford introduced Intelligent Range in the Mustang Mach-E crossover, and Palmer claims he drives his Mach-E down to 20 miles before looking to charge because he's learned to trust the vehicle's estimates.

"It says what it does and it does what it says," according to Palmer. "

I can tell you that the GOM on my Mach-E is pretty much a random number generator when the car is over 50% charged.

It is accurate once you get to a low state of charge. So I believe the part about comfortably waiting until it shows 20 miles remaining.

 

[LightningShow]

If you're commuting the same route with the vehicle every day, the GOM is probably pretty accurate but otherwise it's not really telling you much other than what your recent driving habits are. For me, I estimate how much range I have left based on conditions, SOC and how I plan on driving. I know what kind of efficiency I get under different conditions and I go based on that. Cold weather, highway driving? 3mi/kWh. Warm weather, highway, 4mi/kWh. Cold weather under 55mph 3.5mi/kWh, warm weather under 55mph 5mi/kWh. Multiply battery capacity times SOC times efficiency, and that's my ballpark range. 50%*60kWh*4mi/kWh ~ 120 miles.

 

[VTbuckeye]

If you're commuting the same route with the vehicle every day, the GOM is probably pretty accurate but otherwise it's not really telling you much other than what your recent driving habits are. For me, I estimate how much range I have left based on conditions, SOC and how I plan on driving. I know what kind of efficiency I get under different conditions and I go based on that. Cold weather, highway driving? 3mi/kWh. Warm weather, highway, 4mi/kWh. Cold weather under 55mph 3.5mi/kWh, warm weather under 55mph 5mi/kWh. Multiply battery capacity times SOC times efficiency, and that's my ballpark range. 50%*60kWh*4mi/kWh ~ 120 miles.

That is what I imagine most experienced EV drivers do. In our Volvo xc40 EV there is no GOM. It just shows state of charge. Luckily it is pretty safe to estimate at least 2 miles per percent of battery.

 

[LightningShow]

That is what I imagine most experienced EV drivers do. In our Volvo xc40 EV there is no GOM. It just shows state of charge. Luckily it is pretty safe to estimate at least 2 miles per percent of battery.

Yes, I'm sure that's the case. I think the car companies are shooting themselves in the foot a little by acting like they can accurately predict real life range instead of just letting people figure it out. As an engineer, I totally get the impulse to use all the data available in the various sources and try to come up with a model and a prediction but it's just not realistic or useful most of the time. On roadtrips where you are putting in a destination 500 miles away it comes in pretty handy but most other times your own experience is what will guide you.

 

[beatle]

All the more reason to open the API up or provide a native Ford tracking/data service that shows you your energy usage, charging efficiency, charging costs, savings over gas, etc. I might sound like a broken record, but this gives you much better insight into the performance of the vehicle in various circumstances than the GOM ever will. I think Ford touting the accuracy and intelligence that goes into the GOM will only cause people to be more disappointed when they realize it's not accurate under all conditions.

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