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[Firn]

Oh absolutely. Maybe I needed to clarify what I was saying. Talking about how the costs associated with 500 service, upgraded fast charging, etc. it will make it worse than electrify America which is 50-60 cents a kWh on the low end. Additionally, if the truck was made for that input why not just start there?

Technology can be adapted but rarely if ever can it be upgraded without providing the hardware to support the software changes. Before you say so, I’m not bitter or negative about anything with electric vehicles, but this is white noise. Ford needs to do better in aspects that matter, like whatever the abbreviation for the home power is (not the charger but the inverter), or working on expansion packs for the batteries or fast charging capacitors that can be swapped out or carried on long trips, or just maybe a range extender. Like get one out soon, because it’s great to have fast charging but not if you are designing your life around public charging that can be, many times, less than reliable.

Lastly, I’m really on an electrify America bashing session. Not because I think the chargers are terrible, because they usually are the fastest but because of the cost. The other part is that electrify America was supposed to have it setup for 500a anyway, which would go for 10 min then drop off. I don’t know of any vehicles charging with that level of current, so I guess we can see.

I believe tesla chargers have offered this speed of charging to some for some time now. Tesla themselves can go over 600a. There were a few reports of 190kw on the lightnings many months ago which would be 500kw consumed.

It often takes thousands of products and many many miles of testing to determine if something is detrimental. Ford now has three years of owners information to start to evaluate dcfc and its effects on battery degredation. Tesla DNA others have literally been doing this for over a decade now.

The 10 minute and drop-off thing is a Ford deal, not EA.

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[22legit2quit]

I believe tesla has offered this speed of charging for some time now. There were a few reports of 190kw many months ago which would be 500kw consumed.

It often takes thousands of products and many many miles of testing to determine if something is detrimental. Ford now has three years of owners information to start to evaluate dcfc and its effects on battery degredation. Tesla DNA others have literally been doing this for over a decade now.

The 10 minute and drop-off thing is a Ford deal, not EA.

I’m sure Tesla is much further along. The need for that amount of current is indicative of solid state and newer technology that will likely need those levels.

 

[Firn]

I’m sure Tesla is much further along. The need for that amount of current is indicative of solid state and newer technology that will likely need those levels.

I edited my comment to correct the poor wording

Tesla themselves have been doing over 600a for some time. The model 3 peaks at about 250kw on a 350v (nominal) architecture. That's WELL WELL over 500a.

I was saying that the Lightning itself has done over 190kw on some tesla stations.

 

[P-38]

If you have an Android phone, google maps in android auto allows preconditioning

Only if it works...I have an update past where that was supposed to work but it's not working. I'm wondering if the truck is missing a different update in a different module or something that makes that work.

But more critically I'm also missing karaoke...

 

[tnugentfl]

Oh absolutely. Maybe I needed to clarify what I was saying. Talking about how the costs associated with 500 service, upgraded fast charging, etc. it will make it worse than electrify America which is 50-60 cents a kWh on the low end. Additionally, if the truck was made for that input why not just start there?

Technology can be adapted but rarely if ever can it be upgraded without providing the hardware to support the software changes. Before you say so, I’m not bitter or negative about anything with electric vehicles, but this is white noise. Ford needs to do better in aspects that matter, like whatever the abbreviation for the home power is (not the charger but the inverter), or working on expansion packs for the batteries or fast charging capacitors that can be swapped out or carried on long trips, or just maybe a range extender. Like get one out soon, because it’s great to have fast charging but not if you are designing your life around public charging that can be, many times, less than reliable.

Lastly, I’m really on an electrify America bashing session. Not because I think the chargers are terrible, because they usually are the fastest but because of the cost. The other part is that electrify America was supposed to have it setup for 500a anyway, which would go for 10 min then drop off. I don’t know of any vehicles charging with that level of current, so I guess we can see.

Not trying to be argumentative, but you are confounding so many issues that have nothing to do with each other. You may really want to read up on a lot off what you are talking about.

 

[22legit2quit]

Not trying to be argumentative, but you are confounding so many issues that have nothing to do with each other. You may really want to read up on a lot off what you are talking about.

I’m really not because I consider them linked. It’s easy to say you can now charge at a certain current level. That’s something that can be switched by changing computer code to allow it to happen, is there a hardware requirement? Yes, but how many times do you upgrade the software on your iphone(don’t get me started on android) and over a much shorter time your phone doesn’t operate at the level it started with because the throughput is way more than the hardware can handle?

I’m a proud EV owner, and the lightning is my first and only ev so far. I just think that for what we’ve all invested, that energy (not just the type out of a charging station) should be spent by fomoco and the other domestics .outside of Tesla or lucid , in refining the technology much faster in a functional way. Just my opinion, but as an electrical engineer and chemist by trade I am willing to hear all sides of this.

 

[Firn]

I’m really not because I consider them linked. It’s easy to say you can now charge at a certain current level. That’s something that can be switched by changing computer code to allow it to happen, is there a hardware requirement? Yes, but how many times do you upgrade the software on your iphone(don’t get me started on android) and over a much shorter time your phone doesn’t operate at the level it started with because the throughput is way more than the hardware can handle?

I’m a proud EV owner, and the lightning is my first and only ev so far. I just think that for what we’ve all invested, that energy (not just the type out of a charging station) should be spent by fomoco and the other domestics .outside of Tesla or lucid , in refining the technology much faster in a functional way. Just my opinion, but as an electrical engineer and chemist by trade I am willing to hear all sides of this.

Whatever limits Ford programmed in originally were based upon Fords simulations and initial testing. No matter how you cut it those will be a much much smaller sample set than the roughly 60,000 units on the road with tens of thousands of charging events. These trucks are connected, and now Ford can monitor years worth of data, that can (and as previously mentioned, which you ignored, DOES) allow refinement.

But truth be told, you did actually conflate a whole bunch of things. Charging SPEED was only one topic discussed

 

[RocketGhost]

500 amps, ok. The level of damage to the battery and the fact that this won’t even be offered (like at a fast charger) are the major issues. I mean it’s cool and would really reduce charging times but the 500 amp service would make charging very expensive in this current economic climate.

The Lightning already charges at 450a I believe. Even at 500a it's not going to hit 200kw charge rate. That's still under what most (all?) Superchargers can do, and every EA station I've been to has a couple 350kw chargers.

 

[Mashedtators]

It’s Thursday. I wonder if this will start rolling out to non EAP trucks en masse.

 

[Zprime29]

The Lightning already charges at 450a I believe. Even at 500a it's not going to hit 200kw charge rate. That's still under what most (all?) Superchargers can do, and every EA station I've been to has a couple 350kw chargers [that don't work].

You left out pertinent information, I fixed it for you.

 

[BlueLightning]

So I took my vehicle in September and November of 2024, dealership couldn’t find anything wrong with it and gave it back to me.

Took it in few weeks ago for the same fault, and again there was no fault found?

Somehow still ended up getting a new heat pump in the cab?

Picked it up yesterday and a mile down the road a new fault came up and everybody scratching their heads?

Ford please train these dealerships how to maintain our Lightnings.

Faults are getting more and more grave?!

So, finally, as of today my vehicle is still hooked up to a computer at the dealership, but I received this message in my app saying that my software’s been updated to allow better software updates?

What kind of update is that?

Can we get some real updates with actionable features instead of these patches that Ford pushes?

Silliness!

 

[electricpig]

I believe tesla chargers have offered this speed of charging to some for some time now. Tesla themselves can go over 600a. There were a few reports of 190kw on the lightnings many months ago which would be 500kw consumed.

It often takes thousands of products and many many miles of testing to determine if something is detrimental. Ford now has three years of owners information to start to evaluate dcfc and its effects on battery degredation. Tesla DNA others have literally been doing this for over a decade now.

The 10 minute and drop-off thing is a Ford deal, not EA.

The drop off is a charging thing. None keep max rate all the way through. We have a Tesla as well, and frankly I'm not impressed with it's charging. The curve is not great, and falls off really really fast

 

[electricpig]

Only if it works...I have an update past where that was supposed to work but it's not working. I'm wondering if the truck is missing a different update in a different module or something that makes that work.

But more critically I'm also missing karaoke...

It has worked well for me. Pre-xonditioning, and routing and charger planning. AA is conservative on its estimated charge on arrival, but I much rather that than optimistic.

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