Trump order freezes funding for Illinois EV charging network

[earlyadopt]

and approximately ~50% will be very happy with that, and ~50% will dislike it with deviation of +/- a few points based on topic at hand. Thats American politics. I for one think NEVI was a disastrous waste of taxpayer money, but I understand that opinion is not popular on an EV forum.

Very true, however, what is not been reported is the fact that the oil industry is being subsidized by a fact of 100 and no one seems to be upset.

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[Grease Lightning]

I for one think NEVI was a disastrous waste of taxpayer money, but I understand that opinion is not popular on an EV forum.

I would agree in the concept rather than funding with a scalpel, they did more of a broad brush approach, and left off tons of areas that would be of benefit and sadly need a subsidy to make it viable to add one. Those more one off location are the ones that are a “public benefit” that most people will be okay with a subsidy.

While sticking with the I-X corridors does help, the volume means the free market would likely expand in those areas already. So are we getting the maximum benefit of our tax dollar investment. If you go by volume of use, maybe.

 

[Grease Lightning]

Tesla may be over the hump but others are not (yet).

I still think the subsidies for those others you are talking about should come in the form of behind the scene grants and such. A per car “credit” doesn’t provide the seed money to innovate as much.

 

[luebri]

I would agree in the concept rather than funding with a scalpel, they did more of a broad brush approach, and left off tons of areas that would be of benefit and sadly need a subsidy to make it viable to add one. Those more one off location are the ones that are a “public benefit” that most people will be okay with a subsidy.

While sticking with the I-X corridors does help, the volume means the free market would likely expand in those areas already. So are we getting the maximum benefit of our tax dollar investment. If you go by volume of use, maybe.

Assuming any meaningful % actually get installed effectively. NEVI was signed into law in November 2021. The amount of installs done in 3+ years is pathetic at best which is part of the reason I never supported the program. Government bloat and poor execution per taxpayer dollar.

 

[RickKeen]

I hate to justify subsidies for oil here but without them the price of fuel would be much higher (can maybe look to Europe here). If that happens it impacts the lower income the most.

If you want to help the low income people, give them the money directly. Funneling it through the record profits of big oil companies results in ZERO trickle down to the people. (this has been proven by several studies).

 

[Pod]

All this being said, we will never not need fossil fuels. Let‘s just use them in the most efficient way possible. Generating electricity and other things with fossil fuels makes sense. Using petroleum for automobiles is not efficient. This has always seemed like a sensible discussion. Unfortunately now we have all the “EVs, they don’t go very far” crowd convincing folks otherwise. Really stinks to have people just turning their backs on science and innovation. Foolishness

 

[luebri]

All this being said, we will never not need fossil fuels. Let‘s just use them in the most efficient way possible. Generating electricity and other things with fossil fuels makes sense. Using petroleum for automobiles is not efficient. This has always seemed like a sensible discussion. Unfortunately now we have all the “EVs, they don’t go very far” crowd convincing folks otherwise. Really stinks to have people just turning their backs on science and innovation. Foolishness

Like it or not. Bludgeoning people over the head with "climate necessity" to adopt EV's is a sure way to make sure adoption never gets passed 50% and will just make half of people that dont share your views are just more obstinate. I'd recommend the EV community, never utter a word about the Climate topic if they want wider adoption. Sell the other benefits.

Climate made zero portion of my decision to buy. I love my EV and share my experience with anyone that is EV curious and speak from experience regarding purported EV "Cons" and whether they are Myths or just minor inconveniences such as the Range discussion.

 

[marc_hanna]

Plus, never standing out in the cold to pump gas again is quite nice.

That is one of my favourite aspects about EVs. It is just so convenient for 90%+ of my driving.

 

[Electric Messiah]

No heeding science, economics, the greater good, what's good for the earth; and most of all, common sense. The attacks on alternative energy all come down to the ongoing drudgery of grudgery.

 

[RickKeen]

Most people are not going to sacrifice their personal time or energy for the environment.
But they will buy cars that:
- Go faster / more fun to drive.
- Save them money.
- Save them time.
- Increase safety
- Status symbol / fad / social membership.
- Virtue signalling.
- Avoid exposure to cold / weather.
- Toys / electronics / comfort / entertainment.

 

[Pod]

I do not use climate as a reason for others to buy an EV. Personally, it gives me a little peace but to you, whatever works. EV is just a better vehicle. I can use a timing gun and have help rebuild a few small blocks. The nostalgia of straight pipes and a four barrel Holley was awesome but times change.

ultimately the market will bring most people to EV

 

[Firn]

Like it or not. Bludgeoning people over the head with "climate necessity" to adopt EV's is a sure way to make sure adoption never gets passed 50% and will just make half of people that dont share your views are just more obstinate. I'd recommend the EV community, never utter a word about the Climate topic if they want wider adoption. Sell the other benefits.

Climate made zero portion of my decision to buy. I love my EV and share my experience with anyone that is EV curious and speak from experience regarding purported EV "Cons" and whether they are Myths or just minor inconveniences such as the Range discussion.

Except, he didn't do that. And frankly your response highlights the issue. He didn't force a view. He actually expressed a very MODERATE view of it.

But as soon as someone says ANYTHING supporting the environmental aspects they get labeled as a one of those lefty climate guys.

Worse, aside from SOME rhetoric, the majority of folks who think they are getting "bludgeoned" with it are receiving it from social echo chambers claiming that that is what others are doing.

His last point also stands on its own. In ten years of playing devils advocate not once has someone critical of EVs been able to articulate an information based response. It is what drove me away from that END of the spectrum. And it only makes the issue worth, but frankly if one opens their mouth and acts like an idiot they are going to get treated like one.

 

[luebri]

Except, he didn't do that. And frankly your response highlights the issue. He didn't force a view. He actually expressed a very MODERATE view of it.

But as soon as someone says ANYTHING supporting the environmental aspects they get labeled as a one of those lefty climate guys.

Worse, aside from SOME rhetoric, the majority of folks who think they are getting "bludgeoned" with it are receiving it from social echo chambers claiming that that is what others are doing.

His last point also stands on its own. In ten years of playing devils advocate not once has someone critical of EVs been able to articulate an information based response. It is what drove me away from that END of the spectrum. And it only makes the issue worth, but frankly if one opens their mouth and acts like an idiot they are going to get treated like one.

I in no way was directing an accusation of over expressing the climate aspects of EV's at him... more at the EV community as a whole. It's a virtual 50/50 controversial topic. Just my opinion, I think it hurts more than it helps if achieving > 50% adoption is a goal.

 

[MotoGary]

....or else a certain country who more or less is already on top will continue to be on top.

Are we not allowed to say CHAI-NAH here? China China China... It's not a Big Yuge Deal.

 

[F150ROD]

Are we not allowed to say CHAI-NAH here? China China China...

Nope, it'll be considered "Politics"

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