Firn
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You are 100% wrong in recommending people throw it in neutral.
And recommending pumping the brakes? That has been the wrong thing to do for close to 30 years now.
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And recommending pumping the brakes? That has been the wrong thing to do for close to 30 years now.
Larryumo
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Yes! That is the way I drove back in the day of stick shifts.
Further, at 80 years old, my Lightning senses the road conditions in micro seconds. I, as a human, sense the road conditions in deci or full seconds at best. Unless, I turn the steering wheel, my truck wants to go straight and adjusts to continue going straight.
So far, I've had no problems using one PD
Larryumo
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"When the Lightning is in drive you have all available traction control and braking safety systems available whether you use 1PD or 2PD. If you put it in neutral you remove all of the safety systems related to motor braking. If you mess up and accidentally put it in park you have locked up all of the wheels and have zero safety systems."
I agree!!
I agree!!
RickKeen
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This dog is too old to learn to drive 1 pedal mode, so I really like the fact the the Fords have blended regen and friction braking on the brake pedal so I don't have to think optimizing regen and I can just stay in 2 pedal mode.
Using the same drive mode I am used to using my whole life of MN winters gives me the most confidence.
Using the same drive mode I am used to using my whole life of MN winters gives me the most confidence.
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RickKeen
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As an added comment, statistically, Teslas have fatal crashes more than any other brand of vehicle per mile driven. My personal theory is that 1 pedal mode is a learning curve for new EV drivers and that contributes to some of the added crashes. I would be wary of learning how to best use 1 pedal mode in snow unless I practiced it a lot.
Henry Ford
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Definitely do what is comfortable for you but maybe give one pedal a shot while the weather is nice. It took a couple days to get used to it for me and a week or two to perfect it. With a little experience you'll be able to know exactly where the truck will stop when you take your foot off the pedal at speed. I found the learning process to be kind of fun.
RickKeen
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Yeah, don't really want to encourage people around me to "learn" about stopping and not having full control of their car because they don't have years of experience driving one pedal mode in the snow and ice.
Imagine you are on the highway and there is a 10 car pileup happening in slow motion on glare ice in front of you. You are a couple weeks into learning to drive in one pedal mode. You panic and let off the accelerator. Your car loses traction due to trying to automatically brake too hard, and instead of being able to steer around the pileup safely into the median, you slam into the back car, making the accident worse.
Henry Ford
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That's not how it works. This has been covered before. I'm pretty sure it's been covered in this thread. You still have traction control and ABS with one pedal driving. Your hypothetical is not based in reality.
Learn how to use 1PD, test it in winter conditions then come back and report what you've found.
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RickKeen
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So I should "Learn" where? In real traffic in real snow with real people's lives at risk? I already know how to drive in snow with two pedals. Already paid the price for that learning curve as a young driver 45 years ago.
That is the whole point - to avoid having to learn something new.
Henry Ford
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They don't have parking lots where you live?
You have very strong options on the safety of something you refuse to try.
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I got to try out the truck in snow yesterday and it was wonderful. I have winter tires, and use 1pd. The truck felt so stable and the 1pd did perfectly in keeping the speed I wanted. No issues with slipping when slowing down.
Also I was impressed with the range. I went 57 miles each way, gaining 4000' in elevation. 1.3 on the way up, 2.9 on the way down. So average 2.1 miles per kWH with that elevation gain and 43 degrees in the lowlands 30 degrees in the mountains. And it only cost me $4.40
Bottom line - trust your 1PD in the snow!
Also I was impressed with the range. I went 57 miles each way, gaining 4000' in elevation. 1.3 on the way up, 2.9 on the way down. So average 2.1 miles per kWH with that elevation gain and 43 degrees in the lowlands 30 degrees in the mountains. And it only cost me $4.40
Bottom line - trust your 1PD in the snow!
nate
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I do not trust 1PD if it’s super slick. Letting off the accelerator in very slick conditions has led to me almost going sideways because the regen is too aggressive in slowing you down. It was very similar to when I downshifted (in an old Camry) too aggressively trying to slow down going down a slick hill—lost traction for a scary second there too before I went back up a gear.
I didn’t leave 1PD turned on so I could test different things, but for people who do use 1PD in slick-as-hell conditions—do I hit the brakes hard enough so that antilock kicks in? Or do I need to feather the gas pedal ever so slightly to regain traction, but still get it to regen? I don’t think either is a great solution, but I’d like to do some more testing when I can find a safe place with these conditions.
I didn’t leave 1PD turned on so I could test different things, but for people who do use 1PD in slick-as-hell conditions—do I hit the brakes hard enough so that antilock kicks in? Or do I need to feather the gas pedal ever so slightly to regain traction, but still get it to regen? I don’t think either is a great solution, but I’d like to do some more testing when I can find a safe place with these conditions.
Henry Ford
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If you lose traction while letting off the accelerator pedal in 1PD, ABS kicks in just as it would in 2PD.
You should definitely practice more so you gain confidence in the truck and your ability to tell it what to do. Any time you are driving in slick conditions you should be smooth and drive slow. Never "hit the brakes hard" as you could disrupt the balance of the vehicle which might induce an unnecessary slide.
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