Ford's epic Lightning bait-and-switch is complete (the official "I'm out" thread).

[Pioneer74]

The worst part about the Lariat+ is that along with the moonroof you can only get an all black interior. Really questioning the intelligence in that decision. Hopefully you will be able to remote start with cab environment controls set for a particular temperature before getting in the vehicle.

I, personally, want the all black interior. I just don't want a leaky glass hole in my roof.

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[greenne]

My 2021 Lariat 2.7L stickered for $67k. A Lightning Lariat+ is $79k. Seems like a great value to me.

Subtract $7500 tax credit and few years of fuel cost and it looks like an even better value long term. (also oil changes, filters, brake pads, transmission service, etc)

 

[F150ROD]

Obviously there is no F150 EV XLT that is a mirror reflection of an F150 CrewCab XLT 302A truck.
To be honest, the Pro SR is only fabric seats away from being a better equipped truck than that XLT 302A.

It's a trim level context issue.

Yup

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1848457220...Lbjrq89d23qrCMDZAGGs89FuOgxfRpPgaArXTEALw_wcB

 

[Snakebitten]

Yup

https://www.ebay.com/itm/184845722072.....

Better yet, grab a Pro and do Katzkinz.... And if you are really honest, it'd be a legitimate comparison to a very nicely equipped Lariat ICE truck. Seriously.

That's why the ICE trim labels are possibly a big mistake. Afterall, "Pro" isn't "XL", so they shouldn't have used XLT either?

 

[gorwell]

Most compact crossover EVs are in the $50-60k range.

ID4: $40K
Ioniq5: $43K
Bolt EUV: $33K

Only luxury and Tesla EVs are in the 50-60K range.

You don't get a lot of "car" in terms of features @ $74K for an XLT Extended range.

 

[adoublee]

It's actually probably *underpriced* to hit the $39k number for marketing purposes... as evidenced by the fact that they don't actually want to sell them, and the XLT SR, which has maybe $3k worth of "upgrades" compared to the Pro, is priced $13k higher.

I think the following represents what is included for the additional $13K. Based a percentage of trims that will be available, a good number of Pro buyers are going to need to decide if they are willing to pay for these upgrades.

 

[greenne]

ID4: $40K
Ioniq5: $43K
Bolt EUV: $33K

Only luxury and Tesla EVs are in the 50-60K range.

You don't get a lot of "car" in terms of features @ $74K for an XLT Extended range.

Uh....take the Bolt out of the equation, thats quite a bit smaller and not awd.

ID4 starts at $40k..add awd and the pro pkg and you are at $49k
Ioniq 5-- $50k for the big battery and awd.
MME- starts at $43k..but go mid trim awd, ER battery and you are in the $50s.

Point is YES you can get a non-awd EV devoid of comfort features for $40-45k...start adding options, awd that creeps to 50-60k and they still don't have the capability of a full size truck.

And yes, I do think the XLT is overpriced at $74k..probabkly needed to be ~$65k. But its unrealistic to think a large capable full size truck would be the same price as even well equipped much smaller crossovers.

 

[Snakebitten]

ID4: $40K
Ioniq5: $43K
Bolt EUV: $33K

Only luxury and Tesla EVs are in the 50-60K range.

You don't get a lot of "car" in terms of features @ $74K for an XLT Extended range.

I completely understand your point, but for some who have always considered a truck as a necessity, and for all the reasons one can be, the 3 cars you listed above at that price point, if parked next to a Lightning at almost any price point, would still look like a lot less vehicle.

As transportation only, I get it though.

Still, I can't help but compare the entry level Pro to those entry level prices in the car list. And that's actually much more fair. It's quite the comparison in my opinion.

 

[cabinfever]

...Being spoiled by my ‘21 pb isn’t helping. I really like my current truck, more than I thought I would. I expected to just use and enjoy it before trading it in against a Lightning. Keeping it for longer is looking more appealing now.

I feel the exact same way. I have a 2021 Lariat PowerBoost. Stickered for $72k and paid a little over $62k. My electrician is hooking up a transfer switch for me next week, so with these prices I'm likely out on a new Lightning.

 

[Blainestang]

I think the following represents what is included for the additional $13K. Based a percentage of trims that will be available, a good number of Pro buyers are going to need to decide if they are willing to pay for these upgrades.

Yeah, I don't even know if that's $3k worth of stuff. It's not even on the same planet as $13k worth of stuff.

The only way that XLT SR makes ANY sense whatsoever is if going with the XLT SR means you get the full $7500 credit, and Pro means you have to wait until it's been cut in half twice ($1875) or completely gone.

On principle, I wouldn't even consider an XLT SR. I'd rather not get one than pay $13k for that stuff.

 

[DadBald]

Actually it makes a lot of sense. Those Pro's are mostly going to be sold to Fleet. The Pro's will eventually be available with an ER battery, it's just a matter of being patient. Bait and Switch is offering a vehicle for two months and then completely taking it away as an option......yeah you Tesla.....

No, the bait and switch is leading everyone to believe the ER battery would be a simple $7-10k adder. It's a $35,000 adder from the Pro, or a $19,500 adder for the XLT.

 

[greenne]

I completely understand your point, but for some who have always considered a truck as a necessity, and for all the reasons one can be, the 3 cars you listed above at that price point, if parked next to a Lightning at almost any price point, would still look like a lot less vehicle.

As transportation only, I get it though.

Still, I can't help but compare the entry level Pro to those entry level prices in the car list. And that's actually much more fair. It's quite the comparison in my opinion.

Also keep in mind the ER will have 500hp+ and have a range of 300mi. Thats a good 45-60mi more than either the id4 or Ioniq 5

 

[F150ROD]

No, the bait and switch is leading everyone to believe the ER battery would be a simple $7-10k adder. It's a $35,000 adder from the Pro, or a $19,500 adder for the XLT.

I'd like to see where Ford led everyone to believe this would be the case. I'll wait......

 

[vandy1981]

Subtract $7500 tax credit and few years of fuel cost and it looks like an even better value long term. (also oil changes, filters, brake pads, transmission service, etc)

Don't forget you also get the equivalent of $75K worth of Tesla Powerwalls included in your purchase. You're essentially getting a Lariat ER for free if you look at it that way, LOL!

 

[Royalist]

Also keep in mind the ER will have 500hp+ and have a range of 300mi. Thats a good 45-60mi more than either the id4 or Ioniq 5

I wanna meet the dude cross shopping an ID4 or Ioniq and a Lightning ?

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