[WTF, North Carolina?] North Carolina’s plan to ban free EV charging is an environmental disgrace [WARNING: NO POLITICS]

[Amps]

Why should they provide a bathroom? I mean.. what about those of us that don't have to go! Why should I pay for it.. those people should just go to the bathroom at home.

Geez...

To extend it to the proposed NC legislation, the legislature will allocate funds to rip out the free bathroom.

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[FlasherZ]

I worked at a healthcare company where one of our unions refused to agree to allow EV chargers to be installed at the corporate office, because we weren't installing free gas pumps. Their argument was that their union members were predominantly gas vehicle drivers and EV drivers were more management, and unless they got free gas, they weren't going to allow EV charging.

 

[Roy2001]

How about someone who provides free charging to others?

 

[GDN]

If it is government I agree - should be no free electricity. Private business can do what they want to attract business.

I work at a large company that has about 16 chargers now spread around campus. I also argue there that the charging shouldn't be free. The infrastructure has been very expensive to put in and maintain and 95% of the cars are all Tesla's (which I also currently drive) but I've never once plugged into them.

In more cases than not it is cheap people just wanting free juice. I'll go on record that likely that free charging at work didn't truly make the final decision for any of them to buy the car.

I don't want company provided day care either. It is not an equitable work perk as an example.

If you can offord the higher prices of an EV you can afford to charge - it is already a drop n the bucket compared to gas.

 

[sotek2345]

If it is government I agree - should be no free electricity. Private business can do what they want to attract business.

I work at a large company that has about 16 chargers now spread around campus. I also argue there that the charging shouldn't be free. The infrastructure has been very expensive to put in and maintain and 95% of the cars are all Tesla's (which I also currently drive) but I've never once plugged into them.

In more cases than not it is cheap people just wanting free juice. I'll go on record that likely that free charging at work didn't truly make the final decision for any of them to buy the car.

I don't want company provided day care either. It is not an equitable work perk as an example.

If you can offord the higher prices of an EV you can afford to charge - it is already a drop n the bucket compared to gas.

Work charging can be make or break for those that live in apartments and can't charge at home. Compared to other workplace benefits it is cheap and can be a good hiring or retention incentive. Especially in cities or other areas where charging at home is a challenge.

 

[F150ROD]

But work is a private business and they can do as they please. Those chargers might be incentives for a prospective employee …. Much like a company Van or Car

 

[GDN]

Work charging can be make or break for those that live in apartments and can't charge at home. Compared to other workplace benefits it is cheap and can be a good hiring or retention incentive. Especially in cities or other areas where charging at home is a challenge.

I get it can be an incentive - I've just noted to my employer I don't agree with it.

It is not cheap. They've just noted that two chargers had to be repaired - close to $2000 each. They went with full fledged Chargepoint chargers that are on the app. Plus they are now also getting people parking in them that don't charge at all.

I do get the workplace is a different conversation with my employer, but it all still kind of fits together.

 

[MostlySafeBear]

lol at this topic being no politics.

I agree. So many things in life are affected by politics, and avoiding all mention of politics means that certain things - like EV charging at a state level - would have to be avoided, and that hurts us all.

 

[sotek2345]

I get it can be an incentive - I've just noted to my employer I don't agree with it.

It is not cheap. They've just noted that two chargers had to be repaired - close to $2000 each. They went with full fledged Chargepoint chargers that are on the app. Plus they are now also getting people parking in them that don't charge at all.

I do get the workplace is a different conversation with my employer, but it all still kind of fits together.

If you had any idea how expensive other benefits are (i.e. health insurance, employee assistance programs, paid leave, education, training, retirement, etc.) you would realize that $2k is a drop in the bucket.

 

[Sam James]

Work charging can be make or break for those that live in apartments and can't charge at home. Compared to other workplace benefits it is cheap and can be a good hiring or retention incentive. Especially in cities or other areas where charging at home is a challenge.

Yep!

If it is government I agree - should be no free electricity. Private business can do what they want to attract business.

I work at a large company that has about 16 chargers now spread around campus. I also argue there that the charging shouldn't be free. The infrastructure has been very expensive to put in and maintain and 95% of the cars are all Tesla's (which I also currently drive) but I've never once plugged into them.

In more cases than not it is cheap people just wanting free juice. I'll go on record that likely that free charging at work didn't truly make the final decision for any of them to buy the car.

I don't want company provided day care either. It is not an equitable work perk as an example.

If you can offord the higher prices of an EV you can afford to charge - it is already a drop n the bucket compared to gas.

Our private company wants the best and brightest. A lot of those folks are apartment dwellers. Why wouldn't we want to offer this perk if there is interest? "But I don't drive an EV" is a poor argument. You don't, right now, but you may down the road. YOUR choices impact whether you can take advantage of this perk or not.

Management has decided it's a large enough plus for recruiting or retaining? Then go for it. They're an immaterial cost for many of the businesses that install them, often provide tax breaks, and can be depreciated over a long period of time. Griping that someone took advantage of a perk is poor form. How many of our employees don't have kids to take advantage of the company-match dependent care FSA? How many don't even take advantage of the base FSA or an HSA? A ton, especially young, single folks. I don't hear them begrudging their coworkers.

Then there is this argument a few of you have against government installations offering it. Again, the government competes with all other employers. The same argument for perks applies here. And exactly what level of government-sponsored charging irks you? Just federal? What if your hometown wants to drum up business in their downtown or a new shopping district? Are you really going to squabble over something that invites people to stick around, shop longer, and potentially stay the night? Again, you're welcome to take advantage of these services too.

It’s just griping for the sake of griping.

 

[ivan256]

V2G is going to kill free charging soon enough anyway. Nobody is going to want to charge somebody up for free so they can go home and sell the power to the grid. And people will absolutely be doing that.

 

[greenne]

To extend it to the proposed NC legislation, the legislature will allocate funds to rip out the free bathroom.

Your tax dollars at work....

 

[greenne]

All this nonsense over an L2 charger that costs maybe 75 cents/hr in electricity costs?(6.6 Kw)

Funny I remember when the argument against EV stations was "nobody" would use them (wasted money). Now it seems like the argument is just the opposite, they don't want people to use them.

 

[Sam James]

V2G is going to kill free charging soon enough anyway. Nobody is going to want to charge somebody up for free so they can go home and sell the power to the grid. And people will absolutely be doing that.

Our local VW dealer has free 24/7 DC fast charging and I've seen nobody abuse this. I seriously doubt this is a material issue. This bill is solely targeted at the perceived enemies of the right and has no regard for the independence of private business or municipalities. Purely a stunt, but these days the stunts become shameful reality.

 

[ivan256]

Oh, I completely agree who it's targeted at. But in reality it's probably irrelevant, and we shouldn't feed the trolls.

My local municipal free charger had the same car parked at it for a couple hours every single night until they finally changed the rules and started charging $0.12/kwh + $2/hour.

People are unlikely to abuse V2G with their personal vehicles just due to battery wear and tear. But as fleet vehicles become more prevalent it WILL be a problem. And even if people aren't abusing it, as the charging stations get busier people will believe that the "freeloaders" are the reason they had to wait to charge and will complain.

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