Parking brake - can it be set automatically?

[dww]

Is there a setting to have the parking brake automatically engage when the truck is put in park? My other EV automatically sets the parking brake whenever the car is put in park and disengages it when D or R is selected. The truck is able to disengage the parking brake when the accelerator is pressed, why would you not want to automatically engage it when park is selected if you have removed the possibility of driving with the parking brake engaged?

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[TaxmanHog]

No, but if the truck detects a steep enough incline it will automatically set it.

 

[dww]

No, but if the truck detects a steep enough incline it will automatically set it.

Is there a reason to not automatically set it every time if it can set it automatically based on incline? I know I’m being lazy by not reaching down to set it so the truck doesn’t rock in park when the normal brake is released but it seems like automatically setting it and having a manual release if you really wanted it off (brake rotor replacement) would be a more useful default logic.

 

[TaxmanHog]

I don't think Ford felt it was a user priority.

They did make it such that auto disengagement for drive & reverse is a thing, but felt {IMHO} that everytime is overkill

 

[GDN]

Automatic parking brake was noted for 2024 and noted it will come to prior trucks via SW update.

 

[TaxmanHog]

Automatic parking break was noted for 2024 and noted it will come to prior trucks via SW update.

I had faith in the parking pawl, but nice to accommodate the masses, I must be in the minority of opinionated folk.

 

[GDN]

I can't find the article where I read that, but thinking it was in some of the Flash information where a lot about the '24's was revealed.

We also get most of what hits the MachE and @RickLightning reported here that the the MachE received it already.

 

[TaxmanHog]

I 'm a guy who's first vehicle was an early 70's F100, 45 years of F series pickups, I just never felt this level of need in a TRUCK.

 

[3121]

I had faith in the parking pawl, but nice to accommodate the masses, I must be in the minority of opinionated folk.

Yeah I think ford engineers set the truck up to enable the parking brake when it’s needed. The pawl is burly so I’m not worried about it carrying weight.

 

[Jim Lewis]

I 'm a guy who's first vehicle was an early 70's F100, 45 years of F series pickups, I just never felt this level of need in a TRUCK.

We have a neighbor who could have used an automatic parking brake. I don't know the details, but she left her vehicle in the garage with the vehicle, obviously not in Park or the parking brake set. What she did with her fob was never made clear. She walked into her kitchen with the fob, the vehicle rolled out of her garage, across the driveway, down a hill through a neighbor's front yard, over a sidewalk, across an intersection, then colliding with a very sturdy metal street sign set into the ground in a couple of feet of concrete on the opposite side of the intersection. Otherwise, the vehicle might have kept going and crashed into the front of a house abutting that intersection. Luckily, no one was walking by on any of the sidewalks, and no other cars were at a normally fairly busy intersection. The fob was vaguely blamed as the cause of the accident (perhaps because in the days of the keyed ignitions, you couldn't take your key out of the vehicle unless you put the vehicle in Park). She also once had a guest who got out of his vehicle not in Park. This time the guy's SUV rolled straight down the driveway and knocked over a neighbor's brick mailbox pillar. The guy similarly should have set his vehicle in Park and set the handbrake before he emerged from his vehicle.

IIRC, back around the 1950s, someone was getting out of their GM vehicle. They had pulled their key from the ignition and assumed that shut the vehicle off (it had to be in the ignition to make the car run, after all! ). But the vehicle was still running and, in sliding across the driver's seat to get out, somehow through the steering wheel gear shift, they knocked the car into Drive. The vehicle lurched forward, running someone over. There was a suit against GM, IIRC, as to why GM didn't do something to mechanically prevent such accidents. The result was the safety standard that required vehicles to be put in Park to remove the key from the ignition. A similar big lawsuit is waiting to happen with fobs, IMHO.

Rollaway: The Safety Problem that Doesn’t Go Away - Newsome | Melton Law (newsomelaw.com)

If no one's in the driver's seat, the vehicle should take steps to make sure it doesn't roll away. And you could just have the electronics reverse the park lock when a driver of sufficient size gets back into the driver's seat and puts their foot on the brake, or something like that. (just suggesting the general idea, ignoring details).

The other problem with ICE vehicles is carbon monoxide poisoning from people who don't realize they've left their vehicles running in the garage when they walk away with the fob. The following article says that Congress has directed NHSTA to solve both the carbon monoxide problem and the runaway problem. With EVs, we don't face the CO problem.

Congress Forces NHTSA to Address Keyless Safety Hazards. One Automaker’s Approach Shows Why Regulations Matter - Safety Research & Strategies, Inc.

 

[Maquis]

We have a neighbor who could have used an automatic parking brake. I don't know the details, but she left her vehicle in the garage with the vehicle, obviously not in Park or the parking brake set. What she did with her fob was never made clear. She walked into her kitchen with the fob, the vehicle rolled out of her garage, across the driveway, down a hill through a neighbor's front yard, over a sidewalk, across an intersection, then colliding with a very sturdy metal street sign set into the ground in a couple of feet of concrete on the opposite side of the intersection. Otherwise, the vehicle might have kept going and crashed into the front of a house abutting that intersection. Luckily, no one was walking by on any of the sidewalks, and no other cars were at a normally fairly busy intersection. The fob was vaguely blamed as the cause of the accident (perhaps because in the days of the keyed ignitions, you couldn't take your key out of the vehicle unless you put the vehicle in Park). She also once had a guest who got out of his vehicle not in Park. This time the guy's SUV rolled straight down the driveway and knocked over a neighbor's brick mailbox pillar. The guy similarly should have set his vehicle in Park and set the handbrake before he emerged from his vehicle.

IIRC, back around the 1950s, someone was getting out of their GM vehicle. They had pulled their key from the ignition and assumed that shut the vehicle off (it had to be in the ignition to make the car run, after all! ). But the vehicle was still running and, in sliding across the driver's seat to get out, somehow through the steering wheel gear shift, they knocked the car into Drive. The vehicle lurched forward, running someone over. There was a suit against GM, IIRC, as to why GM didn't do something to mechanically prevent such accidents. The result was the safety standard that required vehicles to be put in Park to remove the key from the ignition. A similar big lawsuit is waiting to happen with fobs, IMHO.

Rollaway: The Safety Problem that Doesn’t Go Away - Newsome | Melton Law (newsomelaw.com)

If no one's in the driver's seat, the vehicle should take steps to make sure it doesn't roll away. And you could just have the electronics reverse the park lock when a driver of sufficient size gets back into the driver's seat and puts their foot on the brake, or something like that. (just suggesting the general idea, ignoring details).

The other problem with ICE vehicles is carbon monoxide poisoning from people who don't realize they've left their vehicles running in the garage when they walk away with the fob. The following article says that Congress has directed NHSTA to solve both the carbon monoxide problem and the runaway problem. With EVs, we don't face the CO problem.

Congress Forces NHTSA to Address Keyless Safety Hazards. One Automaker’s Approach Shows Why Regulations Matter - Safety Research & Strategies, Inc.

That can’t happen with the Lightning since it automatically goes into Park when it’s shut off.

 

[Tony Burgh]

I 'm a guy who's first vehicle was an early 70's F100, 45 years of F series pickups, I just never felt this level of need in a TRUCK.

Same as you, Ford trucks for last 40+ years. I got into the habit of stepping on the parking brake since all but last two trucks were manuals. Also, if you did “exercise” the parking brake occasionally it would freeze up with rust in the cable line.

 

[TaxmanHog]

It amazes me the level of need in current generations, the ineptitude of many generations and lack of common sense overall as law sharks are roaming aimlessly about this mayhem.

 

[TaxmanHog]

Good night folks .......

 

[Jim Lewis]

That can’t happen with the Lightning since it automatically goes into Park when it’s shut off.

The story of the woman's car "evolved" as time passed. When I first heard about it, she left it running and in neutral when she ran back into the house to get something she forgot. From the initial gossip, she didn't think the slope of the garage was sufficient to have the car start rolling out. Then about six months later, at a neighborhood association meeting, when a member of the audience asked about the expense of repairing the street sign, a board member glossing over the accident seemed to imply that the woman had somehow started the car with the fob from her kitchen - saying it was a valuable lesson for us all to be careful how we handle our fobs and how close we keep them to the vehicle.... At least her insurance fully repaid the neighborhood for what was her carelessness, IMHO.

While trying to find the history of the 1950s accident I mentioned in my previous post, I found in NY State, it's against the law for an owner to leave his vehicle unattended without removing the key and setting the parking brake. If you leave the key or fob in the vehicle, you can be held responsible for any damage done with the vehicle even if someone steals it and causes the damage!

The Key in Ignition Rule: Leaving Your Car Unattended Under VTL § 1210(a) (mdafny.com)

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