Sponsored

Parking brake - can it be set automatically?

Yellow Buddy

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 5, 2022
Threads
23
Messages
2,311
Reaction score
3,024
Location
Mid-Atlantic
Vehicles
F-150L Pro, Rivian R1T, Model S, Model X
Occupation
Smart Ass
I 'm a guy who's first vehicle was an early 70's F100, 45 years of F series pickups, I just never felt this level of need in a TRUCK.
Im surprised you didnt do it out of habit.

I’m used to throwing it in gear, pull the parking break from my MTX days. Out of habit I still pull the brake regardless of whether it’s a lever or a button.
Sponsored

 

Yellow Buddy

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 5, 2022
Threads
23
Messages
2,311
Reaction score
3,024
Location
Mid-Atlantic
Vehicles
F-150L Pro, Rivian R1T, Model S, Model X
Occupation
Smart Ass
Same as you, Ford trucks for last 40+ years. I got into the habit of stepping on the parking brake since all but last two trucks were manuals. Also, if you did “exercise” the parking brake occasionally it would freeze up with rust in the cable line.
What’s the matter? Didn’t have fun rebuilding the rear drums?
 

RickLightning

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 17, 2022
Threads
79
Messages
4,913
Reaction score
6,466
Location
SE MI
Vehicles
'22 Lightning ER Lariat,'22 Mach-E Premium 4X
It amazes me the level of need in current generations, the ineptitude of many generations and lack of common sense overall as law sharks are roaming aimlessly about this mayhem.
Ford F-150 Lightning Parking brake - can it be set automatically? fccc87b7b1fca8e2fc843c37374d289a
 

The Weatherman

Well-known member
First Name
Dean
Joined
Apr 20, 2023
Threads
21
Messages
973
Reaction score
1,316
Location
South Central KY
Vehicles
2022 RR F150 Lightning Lariat ER, 2020 Explorer PL
Occupation
Retired
Just add a note of more detail to an earlier post here; the truck automatically puts its self in Park when you open the driver’s door.

You can’t leave the vehicle without it being in Park whether it’s running or not.
 

Tony Burgh

Well-known member
First Name
Tony
Joined
Sep 28, 2021
Threads
17
Messages
858
Reaction score
957
Location
Western Pennsylvania
Vehicles
22 Lariat ER
Occupation
Retired
What’s the matter? Didn’t have fun rebuilding the rear drums?
As a teen, I got hit in the face once trying to put the double ended tension spring back on with pliers. Bought the right tool after that.
But here they plow and salt the road so the underside of vehicle rust. The exposed brake cable too.
 

Sponsored

Maquis

Well-known member
First Name
Dave
Joined
May 20, 2021
Threads
8
Messages
3,362
Reaction score
4,185
Location
Illinois
Vehicles
2021 Mach-E E4-X; 2023 Lightning Lariat ER
The story of the woman's car "evolved" as time passed. When I first heard about it, she left it running and in neutral when she ran back into the house to get something she forgot. From the initial gossip, she didn't think the slope of the garage was sufficient to have the car start rolling out. Then about six months later, at a neighborhood association meeting, when a member of the audience asked about the expense of repairing the street sign, a board member glossing over the accident seemed to imply that the woman had somehow started the car with the fob from her kitchen - saying it was a valuable lesson for us all to be careful how we handle our fobs and how close we keep them to the vehicle.... At least her insurance fully repaid the neighborhood for what was her carelessness, IMHO.

While trying to find the history of the 1950s accident I mentioned in my previous post, I found in NY State, it's against the law for an owner to leave his vehicle unattended without removing the key and setting the parking brake. If you leave the key or fob in the vehicle, you can be held responsible for any damage done with the vehicle even if someone steals it and causes the damage!

The Key in Ignition Rule: Leaving Your Car Unattended Under VTL § 1210(a) (mdafny.com)
I can’t believe any car can be remotely started if it not in ”P”.
 

GDN

Well-known member
First Name
Greg
Joined
Feb 15, 2022
Threads
84
Messages
3,177
Reaction score
3,844
Location
Dallas, TX
Vehicles
Lightning Lariat ER, Performance Y
Occupation
IT
I guess this all depends on how Ford implements, but they do have to be smart about it. Setting the parking brake automatically when putting it in park, will also automatically turn it off when you take it out of park. It can not and should not be a manual release. That is a bad implementation.

The current implementation has problems. It sets the brake when it determines the truck is on an incline/decline, but you must manually turn it off. You already have your foot on the brake when you take it out of park, that is the pre-req for turning it off, so turn it off.
 

FirstF150InCasco

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 21, 2022
Threads
14
Messages
521
Reaction score
487
Location
Boston MA
Vehicles
F150 Lightning
We have a neighbor who could have used an automatic parking brake. I don't know the details, but she left her vehicle in the garage with the vehicle, obviously not in Park or the parking brake set. What she did with her fob was never made clear. She walked into her kitchen with the fob, the vehicle rolled out of her garage, across the driveway, down a hill through a neighbor's front yard, over a sidewalk, across an intersection, then colliding with a very sturdy metal street sign set into the ground in a couple of feet of concrete on the opposite side of the intersection. Otherwise, the vehicle might have kept going and crashed into the front of a house abutting that intersection. Luckily, no one was walking by on any of the sidewalks, and no other cars were at a normally fairly busy intersection. The fob was vaguely blamed as the cause of the accident (perhaps because in the days of the keyed ignitions, you couldn't take your key out of the vehicle unless you put the vehicle in Park). She also once had a guest who got out of his vehicle not in Park. This time the guy's SUV rolled straight down the driveway and knocked over a neighbor's brick mailbox pillar. The guy similarly should have set his vehicle in Park and set the handbrake before he emerged from his vehicle.

IIRC, back around the 1950s, someone was getting out of their GM vehicle. They had pulled their key from the ignition and assumed that shut the vehicle off (it had to be in the ignition to make the car run, after all! :D ). But the vehicle was still running and, in sliding across the driver's seat to get out, somehow through the steering wheel gear shift, they knocked the car into Drive. The vehicle lurched forward, running someone over. There was a suit against GM, IIRC, as to why GM didn't do something to mechanically prevent such accidents. The result was the safety standard that required vehicles to be put in Park to remove the key from the ignition. A similar big lawsuit is waiting to happen with fobs, IMHO.

Rollaway: The Safety Problem that Doesn’t Go Away - Newsome | Melton Law (newsomelaw.com)

If no one's in the driver's seat, the vehicle should take steps to make sure it doesn't roll away. And you could just have the electronics reverse the park lock when a driver of sufficient size gets back into the driver's seat and puts their foot on the brake, or something like that. (just suggesting the general idea, ignoring details).

The other problem with ICE vehicles is carbon monoxide poisoning from people who don't realize they've left their vehicles running in the garage when they walk away with the fob. The following article says that Congress has directed NHSTA to solve both the carbon monoxide problem and the runaway problem. With EVs, we don't face the CO problem.

Congress Forces NHTSA to Address Keyless Safety Hazards. One Automaker’s Approach Shows Why Regulations Matter - Safety Research & Strategies, Inc.
Given your neighbor did not put the vehicle in Park, then the orignial request ("Automatically Engage Break When Put in Park") would not apply.
 

TheWoo

Well-known member
Joined
May 20, 2021
Threads
0
Messages
280
Reaction score
466
Location
Manhattan, KS
Vehicles
2023 Lightning Platinum, 2024 Rivian R1T
I guess this all depends on how Ford implements, but they do have to be smart about it. Setting the parking brake automatically when putting it in park, will also automatically turn it off when you take it out of park. It can not and should not be a manual release. That is a bad implementation.

The current implementation has problems. It sets the brake when it determines the truck is on an incline/decline, but you must manually turn it off. You already have your foot on the brake when you take it out of park, that is the pre-req for turning it off, so turn it off.
You do not have to manually release it. It disengages when you apply the accelerator.
 

GDN

Well-known member
First Name
Greg
Joined
Feb 15, 2022
Threads
84
Messages
3,177
Reaction score
3,844
Location
Dallas, TX
Vehicles
Lightning Lariat ER, Performance Y
Occupation
IT
You do not have to manually release it. It disengages when you apply the accelerator.
Not true today depending on angle and direction of travel. My drive slopes a small amount. If I'm backing out and stop on the angle and put the truck in park the brake sets. If my next direction of travel is forward back into the garage it will release. If my travel is backwards I must release the brake manually for the truck to move.

The only thing I can say for Ford is maybe other things are in play such as hill park or something like that.

Tesla sets the brake every time you put it in park, when you take the car out of park, your foot must be on the brake (just like the truck) and the car turns the brake off automatically every time.
 

Sponsored

JZinger

Member
Joined
Nov 10, 2023
Threads
5
Messages
16
Reaction score
6
Location
Omaha
Vehicles
2023 Lariat ER
I too would have liked the parking brake automatically engage when placed in park. When parking my truck in my garage I have to be with in one inch of my rear wall otherwise the garage door will hit the front bumper. I realized that the truck rolls forward slightly after placing it in park. Luckily the body shop guy is friend and repainted the bumper for free the first time it happened. I have found that now when I back into the garage I simply engage the parking brake and hit the ignition/off and the truck automatically goes into park. First world problems…
 

Maquis

Well-known member
First Name
Dave
Joined
May 20, 2021
Threads
8
Messages
3,362
Reaction score
4,185
Location
Illinois
Vehicles
2021 Mach-E E4-X; 2023 Lightning Lariat ER
Not true today depending on angle and direction of travel. My drive slopes a small amount. If I'm backing out and stop on the angle and put the truck in park the brake sets. If my next direction of travel is forward back into the garage it will release. If my travel is backwards I must release the brake manually for the truck to move.

The only thing I can say for Ford is maybe other things are in play such as hill park or something like that.

Tesla sets the brake every time you put it in park, when you take the car out of park, your foot must be on the brake (just like the truck) and the car turns the brake off automatically every time.
That seems weird - the forward vs reverse difference.
In one year of ownership, I’ve never had to manually disengage the parking brake.
 

The Weatherman

Well-known member
First Name
Dean
Joined
Apr 20, 2023
Threads
21
Messages
973
Reaction score
1,316
Location
South Central KY
Vehicles
2022 RR F150 Lightning Lariat ER, 2020 Explorer PL
Occupation
Retired
Not true today depending on angle and direction of travel. My drive slopes a small amount. If I'm backing out and stop on the angle and put the truck in park the brake sets. If my next direction of travel is forward back into the garage it will release. If my travel is backwards I must release the brake manually for the truck to move.

The only thing I can say for Ford is maybe other things are in play such as hill park or something like that.

Tesla sets the brake every time you put it in park, when you take the car out of park, your foot must be on the brake (just like the truck) and the car turns the brake off automatically every time.
I have had a different experience so far with my 2022 Lariat ER. I have a significant incline/decline in my lane that leads to my out buildings and have had the brake automatically set when I get out with it running. Of course it automatically set the shifter to Park as soon as I opened the driver door.

Upon reentering and putting the truck in drive the Brake stays engaged until I touch the accelerator, at which point it immediately releases the brake and off we go.

That has been my experience anyway.
 

RickLightning

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 17, 2022
Threads
79
Messages
4,913
Reaction score
6,466
Location
SE MI
Vehicles
'22 Lightning ER Lariat,'22 Mach-E Premium 4X
I guess this all depends on how Ford implements, but they do have to be smart about it. Setting the parking brake automatically when putting it in park, will also automatically turn it off when you take it out of park. It can not and should not be a manual release. That is a bad implementation.

The current implementation has problems. It sets the brake when it determines the truck is on an incline/decline, but you must manually turn it off. You already have your foot on the brake when you take it out of park, that is the pre-req for turning it off, so turn it off.
I believe your understanding is incorrect. If you are in Park, with the parking brake set, and shift to D, and then push on the accelerator, the parking brake will automatically release.
 

GDN

Well-known member
First Name
Greg
Joined
Feb 15, 2022
Threads
84
Messages
3,177
Reaction score
3,844
Location
Dallas, TX
Vehicles
Lightning Lariat ER, Performance Y
Occupation
IT
I thought it was supposed to release as well, but not if I'm going backward downhill. I need to go read up on Hill Start - that may be what is not allowing it to release, vs being on flat ground. I might try a few more specific tries today if I get out. Even TX is participating in the see how cold you can get and at 16 degrees I'm not sure I'm getting out.
Sponsored

 
Last edited:
 





Top