DCFC Hacking

[MickeyAO]

Do you all remember the Internal Research project a couple years ago where my friends in another division had a M-it-M attack on Level 2 charging? Well, they are back at it on DCFC Please note that I was not involved with this project, so I can't say how successful they were, but the 1st article I saw went WAY overboard.

Instead of pointing to the obvious click bait, here is the official news release from SwRI.

https://www.swri.org/press-release/...y-risks-associated-ev-fast-charging-equipment

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[hturnerfamily]

this very thing, and some similar by-products, came to mind the other day during the 'Crowdstrike/Microsoft' unfortunate 'update issue'...

A) we plug our vehicles into a machine, run by software, which knows our vehicle, and our billing, etc., and we 'wonder' if things can go wrong... uh oh.

B) we plug our vehicles into a charger machine, which requires lots of 'power' to power our vehicles, all the while never contemplating what will happen when that unit, or the area, or the whole REGION loses power, and for hours, or worse, DAYS... just as we arrive with almost no power to get anywhere else.
(This actually happened several months ago coming down to Florida... a storm had just knocked out power over the LakeCity area of I75 in North Florida, right where I was planning to 'stop' to charge, along the way. I had to do some creative searching and re-planning to make it work, stopping much shorter than planned, and hoping to get 'thru' the power outage area with enough to make to the next charger... that certainly causes some Charge Anxiety.)

C) we connect SO MUCH of our LIVES to software, apps, computers, and social media... you get the idea.

 

[Fryballin]

I think grid independence with solar and battery back up, coupled with an EV provides more transportation security than gas alone because if the gas stations don’t have power or can’t get their shipments of fuel, i can still charge my truck at home and even off solar if the grid is down.

 

[Maxx]

this very thing, and some similar by-products, came to mind the other day during the 'Crowdstrike/Microsoft' unfortunate 'update issue'...

A) we plug our vehicles into a machine, run by software, which knows our vehicle, and our billing, etc., and we 'wonder' if things can go wrong... uh oh.

B) we plug our vehicles into a charger machine, which requires lots of 'power' to power our vehicles, all the while never contemplating what will happen when that unit, or the area, or the whole REGION loses power, and for hours, or worse, DAYS... just as we arrive with almost no power to get anywhere else.
(This actually happened several months ago coming down to Florida... a storm had just knocked out power over the LakeCity area of I75 in North Florida, right where I was planning to 'stop' to charge, along the way. I had to do some creative searching and re-planning to make it work, stopping much shorter than planned, and hoping to get 'thru' the power outage area with enough to make to the next charger... that certainly causes some Charge Anxiety.)

C) we connect SO MUCH of our LIVES to software, apps, computers, and social media... you get the idea.

Our lives have always been running on faith. Every time you get into your car or into an airplane, you have faith thousands of people involved in getting you safely to your destination ALL did their jobs perfectly AND hope ALL the things they couldn't predict go well too. Life is a big crap shoot and something will get us sooner or later. The trick is enjoying the ride before it happens.

Just to put things in perspective; my truck get zapped with DC a few times a year at most. My heart get zapped once every second. Which failure do you think is harder to recover from?

As far as digital world goes, some of us get to to sit on our booties and with a few clicks become millionaires (instead of breaking our backs in the river sifting for Gold). And when it comes to loosing it, I rather lose it to a Russian hacker or an out of control AI instead of getting shot by the river by a gold thief. Things are much better for most people in a digital world than it used to be. It is just that we are more aware of the bad things that could happen.

Ignorance is a bliss.

 

[marc_hanna]

Spoken like someone who has never sucked gas through a garden hose.

 

[Zprime29]

Spoken like someone who has never sucked gas through a garden hose.

I really want to see someone try to siphon from a gas station. I'll use ProPower and my hot air popcorn machine for the show.

 

[H8N-8NT-EZ]

It seems to me that the threat would be a device that could be used like a credit card skimmer. If it's reading the transmissions between your truck and the charger and you are using Plug and Charge, what would stop them from spoofing your truck's information and charing using Plug and Charge on your account?

 

[MaintGrl]

Um, that's why I have 30g of stabilized fuel stored and rotated every month. Before I had the battery Backup system installed I had a 4k GenSet set up for emergency's. A Power failure come around I'd pull a 100' cord from my storage shed, pull out the GenSet, fire it up and throw the manual transfer switch. several nights over the past few years where I was the only home with lights, TV and Microwave working.

 

[rockhead]

WOW WTF What a joke. A man in the middle attack, on a wire, that is ten feet long, that is one incredibly tiny stealthy man.

Could this be done, sure, is it worth the risk when it catches up to you ? Not for me

 

[Danface]

Just keep you lips off the extension cord!

 

[Danface]

I have a commerical charger at home based on the Liteon EX-1193 and it has a built in webserver and access point. I often wonder how many out there still have the default username and password? BTW, The Ford Pro charger is the Ford branded the EX-1193.

 

[Formerly]

WOW WTF What a joke. A man in the middle attack, on a wire, that is ten feet long, that is one incredibly tiny stealthy man.


Could this be done, sure, is it worth the risk when it catches up to you ? Not for me

Think about a card skimmer dude... Not hard to put a shim on there without you noticing

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