TXU Energy & Ford Team Up to Offer Daily Free Home Electric Vehicle Charging Hours

[luebri]

The base rate is high, at 16.8c/kWh. Sure, you get free charging from 7 pm to 12:59 pm, but with my current provider, I get 12.5c/kWh for all energy. It sounds good, but it's really more expensive for me.

If that is the case it still could easily workout depending on your ratio of home electricity usage vs EV charging. Each person would have to do the calculations. I avg roughly 650kwh in Truck charging a month and 550kwh in home usage charging. In my case it would still be beneficial if my 5-minute math is correct.

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[Maquis]

If that is the case it still could easily workout depending on your ratio of home electricity usage vs EV charging. Each person would have to do the calculations. I avg roughly 650kwh in Truck charging a month and 550kwh in home usage charging. In my case it would still be beneficial if my 5-minute math is correct.

I’d be willing to bet that the average size home with air conditioning in a Texas summer uses way more than 550 kwh in a month.

 

[Texas Dan]

Coal fired power plants can make electricity. The truck runs on electricity. What's the issue?

Renewable vs non-renewable doesnt really have anything to do with the purported benefits of Cost savings for the owner and grid reliability for the provider.

Socially responsible consumers would advocate that the main reason for the adoption of EVs is eliminate emissions. An EV owner cares only about price of electricity and not about emissions could easily be considered a hypocrite and socially irresponsible.

 

[luebri]

I’d be willing to bet that the average size home with air conditioning in a Texas summer uses way more than 550 kwh in a month.

Again, assuming the 16.8c/kWh and the 12.5c/kWh that was mentioned (I didnt verify that data).

1890kwh would be the breakeven point. To cover the potential savings if using 650kwh for truck usage. I doubt the AVG home, average use over all 12 months uses near that!

Simply put in this example the Normal rate is 26% savings vs proposed EV plan rate. So If your EV charging usage is > 26% of your overall bill there would be savings in this scenario, when just looking at these numbers.

That said... the devil is always in the details with plans like this. (junk fees, gotchas, etc.)

 

[luebri]

Socially responsible consumers would advocate that the main reason for the adoption of EVs is eliminate emissions. An EV owner cares only about price of electricity and not about emissions could easily be considered a hypocrite and socially irresponsible.

so by your logic... This poll with the majority of respondents stating the "lack of tailpipe emissions" not being their main reason for buying the Lightning would thus make them " hypocrites and socially irresponsible".

https://www.f150lightningforum.com/...rarchy-ranking-whats-yours.12144/#post-255921

For transparency sake, I am EV owner with Solar panels that provide much of my charging and could care less about the emissions aspect of those particular purchases but I am glad to know you paint me with your obstinent broad brush as a "hypocrite and socially irresponsible".

I'll spare you from passing my judgment on you, as that similar to your post would have nothing to do with the F150 lightning or this thread.

 

[Scorpio3d]

I use way more energy air conditioning my house than I do charging my truck! TXU and Reliant 99.9% have the highest prices for electricity in Texas!
I installed solar with a powerwall 3 last month and switched to Tesla electric (yes that is a thing in Texas and I believe California)
It is a one year contract, but no penalty for canceling so I am seeing how it goes! they pay me $33 a month to have 25% of the powerwall on reserve for the Grid. Texas does not have any net metering laws! It is a kind of weird plan as it costs 12.2 cents per kilowatt hour From 4 AM to 12 AM and 5.5 cents from 12 AM to 4 AM(wind hours)(So that is when I am charging at the moment) They buy back at 5 cents a kilowatt hour. The other options out there for solar are TXU, Reliant, and a couple others that give you a 1:1 (or less)credit for what you send to the grid versus what you use from the grid but only up to what you use. Tesla let you build up credits that you can cash out or use against your bill.

 

[Joe.....Montana]

I use way more energy air conditioning my house than I do charging my truck! TXU and Reliant 99.9% have the highest prices for electricity in Texas!
I installed solar with a powerwall 3 last month and switched to Tesla electric (yes that is a thing in Texas and I believe California)
It is a one year contract, but no penalty for canceling so I am seeing how it goes! they pay me $33 a month to have 25% of the powerwall on reserve for the Grid. Texas does not have any net metering laws! It is a kind of weird plan as it costs 12.2 cents per kilowatt hour From 4 AM to 12 AM and 5.5 cents from 12 AM to 4 AM(wind hours)(So that is when I am charging at the moment) They buy back at 5 cents a kilowatt hour. The other options out there for solar are TXU, Reliant, and a couple others that give you a 1:1 (or less)credit for what you send to the grid versus what you use from the grid but only up to what you use. Tesla let you build up credits that you can cash out or use against your bill.

But it's a wet heat...haha...lived in Memphis for 3 years...I'll take my -10 (-30 with wind chill) days in Montana over 96+ with humidity any day. But also understand some people prefer that heat and humidity over the frigid air.

 

[Scorpio3d]

But it's a wet heat...haha...lived in Memphis for 3 years...I'll take my -10 (-30 with wind chill) days in Montana over 96+ with humidity any day. But also understand some people prefer that heat and humidity over the frigid air.

Yeah, I prefer the hot to the cold but the heat and humidity does take it out of you especially as I get older. At least I save money on going to a sauna to sweat it out I just go into the equipment room of my car wash where it is hotter and more humid!

 

[Maquis]

Again, assuming the 16.8c/kWh and the 12.5c/kWh that was mentioned (I didnt verify that data).

1890kwh would be the breakeven point. To cover the potential savings if using 650kwh for truck usage. I doubt the AVG home, average use over all 12 months uses near that!

Simply put in this example the Normal rate is 26% savings vs proposed EV plan rate. So If your EV charging usage is > 26% of your overall bill there would be savings in this scenario, when just looking at these numbers.

That said... the devil is always in the details with plans like this. (junk fees, gotchas, etc.)

I used 3200 last month and it’s nowhere near as hot here as Texas.

 

[luebri]

I used 3200 last month and it’s nowhere near as hot here as Texas.

no idea people used that much for home usage. I am in Wisconsin which I know some people equate to Siberia but I have a fairly large house, and July was a fairly hot month with ac cranking quite a bit and I used 1.4 mwh, and half that was the truck. that said it is fairly new so maybe it’s more Efficient than I realized

 

[Maquis]

no idea people used that much for home usage. I am in Wisconsin which I know some people equate to Siberia but I have a fairly large house, and July was a fairly hot month with ac cranking quite a bit and I used 1.4 mwh, and half that was the truck. that said it is fairly new so maybe it’s more Efficient than I realized

You need to get a nice, big pool!

 

[luebri]

You need to get a nice, big pool!

Sounds like I’m fine. everybody Illinois and south needs one!!

 

[chl]

@Ford Motor Company Add Dominion Virginia Power and Appalachian Power in Virginia please.

Yes, I now am on an EV time of day program with Dominion Energy (was Dominion Virginia Power) that gets me 4.8 cents per kWh in Apr 16 to Oct 15 and 5.79 cents per kWh Oct 16 to Apr 15, but free would be even better!

 

[GDN]

As other Texans have already noted - this is a crock and is way more expensive than other providers. The best rate for EV charging that I could find 2 months ago is from Octopus. They are new to the US.

Here is the kicker for the TXU rates - that is not the full rate. That doesn't include the "TDU" delivery charge - which is anther almost 4.63 cents per kWh - so it's another 20% on top of the numbers you've already seen quoted.

This is the Energy Facts label which power companies must disclose. Inside of this is a link where they kind of hide that there are additional charges. These used to be fully disclosed on the EFL. https://residential.txu.com/Handler...mType=EnergyFactsLabel&custClass=3&tdsp=ONCOR

The Delivery fees page - https://www.txu.com/en/help/billing-payments/tdu-charges

I wouldn't touch TXU with a 10 foot pole.

 

[VTHokies]

I use way more energy air conditioning my house than I do charging my truck! TXU and Reliant 99.9% have the highest prices for electricity in Texas!
I installed solar with a powerwall 3 last month and switched to Tesla electric (yes that is a thing in Texas and I believe California)
It is a one year contract, but no penalty for canceling so I am seeing how it goes! they pay me $33 a month to have 25% of the powerwall on reserve for the Grid. Texas does not have any net metering laws! It is a kind of weird plan as it costs 12.2 cents per kilowatt hour From 4 AM to 12 AM and 5.5 cents from 12 AM to 4 AM(wind hours)(So that is when I am charging at the moment) They buy back at 5 cents a kilowatt hour. The other options out there for solar are TXU, Reliant, and a couple others that give you a 1:1 (or less)credit for what you send to the grid versus what you use from the grid but only up to what you use. Tesla let you build up credits that you can cash out or use against your bill.

I'm lucky and got grandfathered in to a plan from Green Mountain Energy that gives me 1:1 with no limit on how much my credit is, I haven't paid an electric bill in over 6 years!