Charge Station EV conversion to $4.50 per gallon @18mpg

[derm]

This is a topic that we need regulations on the limit per KW for EV charging stations.

Typical fast charging EV rates I've seen between $0.45 and $0.55 per KW.

My old 2020 ICE 5.0 F150 averaged 18mpg.

18miles devided by 2miles per KW = 9KW. At $0.50 x 9KW = $4.50.

loved the truck and 99% of my charging is at home, but without limits. I believe we will get fk'd 5 years down the road....just saying

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[RickLightning]

This is a topic that we need regulations on the limit per KW for EV charging stations.

Typical fast charging EV rates I've seen between $0.45 and $0.55 per KW.

My old 2020 ICE 5.0 F150 averaged 18mpg.

18miles devided by 2miles per KW = 9KW. At $0.50 x 9KW = $4.50.

loved the truck and 99% of my charging is at home, but without limits. I believe we will get fk'd 5 years down the road....just saying

Market will drive it. No limit on gas costs. Do your research. On most trips, hotel charging is free. Some trips we have done 30% free charging.

 

[Joe Dablock]

EV’s only make sense when you are doing 80% ish of your charging at home. But also, there really isn’t much competition when it comes to fast chargers, the last thing I look at is charging cost rate, I’m way more interested in whether there is an available plug or if the Tesla cable is long enough. Last night my bumper had to touch the charger to reach, and the people charging their Teslas were very gracious.

 

[The Weatherman]

If this country is going to catchup (not lead) the rest of world into electrification of the transportation infrastructure, a less than gasoline cost has got to be a constant.

Us earlier adapters are already here and there has to be a compelling reason for the next wave of adapters to come onboard. Cost savings is going to be that catalyst. Yes, I know the DCFC providers have to make money, but they do not have to make a fortune. At least not right away.

The cost of a KWH varies greatly across the country, but the pricing at the ‘pumps’ don’t seem to be tied that.

 

[RickLightning]

If this country is going to catchup (not lead) the rest of world into electrification of the transportation infrastructure, a less than gasoline cost has got to be a constant.

Us earlier adapters are already here and there has to be a compelling reason for the next wave of adapters to come onboard. Cost savings is going to be that catalyst. Yes, I know the DCFC providers have to make money, but they do not have to make a fortune. At least not right away.

The cost of a KWH varies greatly across the country, but the pricing at the ‘pumps’ don’t seem to be tied that.

Adopters.

I don't agree.

The majority of people who buy an EV aren't going to take trips in it. Therefore, with home charging, it's irrelevant of the cost.

Now, add in a local trip with a charge. Cost is irrelevant. Most people lack the ability to calculate it.

There is a Shell station nearby, where gas is 20 cents a gallon, or more, more than anywhere else. Constant traffic. People don't care.

There never will be a compelling reason to drive an EV, which is why the government has to step in and force the issue. Given the choice of making air cleaner or saving money (gas), people will save money every time.

Do a survey - do you believe that a fast food worker should make a wage to support a family of four? YES, overwhelmingly. Now, say "you will PAY FOR THAT by higher food costs at the restaurant." Now, overwhelmingly NO.

My utility company sucks. They waste money on advertising, they send all these "informative" mailings about my usage (which says I suck because they don't factor my EV usage in that they know I have), etc. They ask if I'd be willing to pay more for cleaner electricity or gas. No, I'm not willing to do so. Why? Because the CEO's salary is $9 million. Because they waste money on all these irrelevant things. Cut his salary to $1M, eliminate the waste, and then we can talk.

 

[Rocket808]

EV’s only make sense when you are doing 80% ish of your charging at home. But also, there really isn’t much competition when it comes to fast chargers, the last thing I look at is charging cost rate, I’m way more interested in whether there is an available plug or if the Tesla cable is long enough. Last night my bumper had to touch the charger to reach, and the people charging their Teslas were very gracious.

I scratched my frunk pulling up to a steel pole, set in concrete, with an “EV charging only” sign with self tapping fasteners. This was at a Tesla supercharger and I had to be a little angled and close. The fastener got me

 

[chrisvitek1]

Now you know why Elon is the richest man in the world. I have 32K miles on my ER Latiat. Only once did I try to find one and then charge to batteries. 4th location worked. After 45 minutes on the phone with EVGO. 3 hours later I was on the road again. Love the truck, hate the charging infrastructure.

I plan to keep the Lightning for around-town stuff. Daily distance limit without stress is about 230 miles. BTW, a Porsche 911 only gets about 220-250 miles per tank. I plan to Buy a tow/road-trip machine next year for cross-country travel. I figure a 7 year-old F250 should do it.

 

[The Weatherman]

Adopters.

I don't agree.

The majority of people who buy an EV aren't going to take trips in it. Therefore, with home charging, it's irrelevant of the cost.

Now, add in a local trip with a charge. Cost is irrelevant. Most people lack the ability to calculate it.

There is a Shell station nearby, where gas is 20 cents a gallon, or more, more than anywhere else. Constant traffic. People don't care.

There never will be a compelling reason to drive an EV, which is why the government has to step in and force the issue. Given the choice of making air cleaner or saving money (gas), people will save money every time.

Do a survey - do you believe that a fast food worker should make a wage to support a family of four? YES, overwhelmingly. Now, say "you will PAY FOR THAT by higher food costs at the restaurant." Now, overwhelmingly NO.

My utility company sucks. They waste money on advertising, they send all these "informative" mailings about my usage (which says I suck because they don't factor my EV usage in that they know I have), etc. They ask if I'd be willing to pay more for cleaner electricity or gas. No, I'm not willing to do so. Why? Because the CEO's salary is $9 million. Because they waste money on all these irrelevant things. Cut his salary to $1M, eliminate the waste, and then we can talk.

I think you missed my point entirely.

I am speaking to maturing the the technology’s ‘adoption.’

 

[bananaslug79]

I disagree on the "no compelling reason to drive an EV." They are faster, more fun to drive, often loaded with nifty technologies, and should have an overall lower cost of ownership in the end. Personally I have zero reason to buy another gas car ever again with more superior drive trains all over the place and more coming all the time.

Might as well ask why anyone buys a pointlessly fast sports car... usually it's just cause they like it

 

[Danface]

There's a town operated chargepoint that's 1/2 the cost of charging at home (.15/kWh vs .30/kWh) that makes having the truck a cost savings over gasoline.

Of course if one figures the true cost difference as it relates to CO and a warming climate then you need to know how dirty or clean the electricity is in your area.

 

[Pioneer74]

Now you know why Elon is the richest man in the world. I have 32K miles on my ER Latiat. Only once did I try to find one and then charge to batteries. 4th location worked. After 45 minutes on the phone with EVGO. 3 hours later I was on the road again. Love the truck, hate the charging infrastructure.

I plan to keep the Lightning for around-town stuff. Daily distance limit without stress is about 230 miles. BTW, a Porsche 911 only gets about 220-250 miles per tank. I plan to Buy a tow/road-trip machine next year for cross-country travel. I figure a 7 year-old F250 should do it.

Elon is the richest man in the world because he learned how to play the government subsidies and contracts game. Like him or not, it was a smart way to go.

 

[I <3 My Lightning]

I tell the EV naysayers all the time, yes you are correct, EVs are NOT for everyone, especially if you have to charge out in the wild (outside of free and your home).

But why do I have two evs at home? Well because I planed for it 5.5 years ago when solar was dirt cheap, after all incentives, and created a system on a home with zero shade at the correct angles that was double our typical usage, no less we are net metered. Plus our work commute and everything we need to shop for is all within very short doable distances The first ev still allowed for the electric company to kindly cash us out once a year at their commercial rate. The second ev and mini split heat pump I added to the garage that I fully insulated now puts us about 100kw over per month on average. And now if we charge at least 50kwh off peak and keep our charging at least 80 percent off peak per month we get $15 off the bill. After all taxes and delivery charges the electricity comes out to about 19 cents per kwh across the year. Basically for our ev6 alone it's like getting 3300 miles a year of free charging.

The extra kickers, I no longer have to do oil changes and the garage is a nice heated area to clean the vehicles at my leisure and it no longer smells of fossil fuels/exhuast... Oh and we get to start to drive off in a vehicle that's already 70 degrees F because of the mini split.

 

[MotoGary]

I don't plan on charging my Lightning anywhere other than home anytime soon. Given the range of my Lightning (SR), and the associated charging costs in time, money, anxiety, and frustration--Road-tripping doesn't make any sense for me.

We own a 2nd home 300 miles away and thought that it would be great to take the Lightning. It only took one trip to realize that it makes no sense at all. It can add up to an hour to the trip and given the current price of gas vs the relatively high price of charging on the road, we basically save nothing.

The only way it would make sense is if we had an EV with the range to easily make that trip without charging along the way. That day will come, but for now we'll take our Telluride on road trips and use the Lightning exclusively for commuting and around town.

I get that some people really enjoy planning an EV road trip and have the time and patience to do it. It's just not for me. I reserve that type of adventuring for my motorcycle trips.

 

[VAF84]

Yeesh… regulating product costs? “Make money, but not a fortune”? How do you decide what a “fortune” is? For a second there I tripped and fell into a socialist chat.

I’ll tell you what. If I was in BFE and had to pay $1 kW/h to get 350kW/hr service vs discounted wall outlet or 60kW/hr service, I’d probably dish out the extra cash, and with gratitude. I’ve run into this situation a handful of times, where I would have happily paid more for better charging service.

I disagree on the "no compelling reason to drive an EV." They are faster, more fun to drive, often loaded with nifty technologies, and should have an overall lower cost of ownership in the end. Personally I have zero reason to buy another gas car ever again with more superior drive trains all over the place and more coming all the time.

Might as well ask why anyone buys a pointlessly fast sports car... usually it's just cause they like it

This is exactly why I paid more than a fully loaded ICE Sierra Denali for my Sierra EV. It’s a truck that does truck things with the speed of a sports car, and the comfort of a sedan. I would have saved money by getting an eco boost since it uses regular, and I probably break even with what it would cost me when I had to use premium gas in my 6.2L V8.

 

[Ragman]

For info here's our calculations which operating data has backed up, even if we charged 100% at Tesla DCFC (we don't) - the Lightning still is a smart purchase.

Values are in Cdn, so take 70% for USD conversion. Your Fuel prices and Electricity will also vary.

Right now I'd put an ICE vs Lightning both filling "at the pump" at about break even cost of ownership - if you charge at home or ideally at "work" (we have free L2 for employees as a perk) it becomes a no brainer. Fancier ICE or fancier Lightning - purchase prices are pretty equal now.

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