Ford Manufacturing in US only in the future

[Bushwood CC]

Im so sick of all the haters out there with wrong or misleading information (like Scotty Kilmer). Is it perfect? No. But it’s the best vehicle I’ve ever owned, and so far, the least expensive to operate.

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[flyct]

Im so sick of all the haters out there with wrong or misleading information (like Scotty Kilmer). Is it perfect? No. But it’s the best vehicle I’ve ever owned, and so far, the least expensive to operate.

Scotty is a joke. Every time I put a video on with him my wife goes ballistic.

Hatters on the Ford FTE EV sub-forum dominate any pro-EV threads. They just don’t know what they are missing.

 

[Altivec]

I think there is a good chance that manufacturing companies will react relatively quickly and get US manufacturing facilities up and running. I was surprised how fast manufacturers reacted/adapted when the Biden administration forced their hands with the EV rebates. They started building factories here to capitalize on the government money. I suspect this will have a similar effect.

I am not sure many realize how intertwined the North American Auto industry is. This is not a matter of US companies building a factory, this is a massive undertaking which would take years with catastrophic shut downs until then. The US is giving Canada a bone with some auto lines and parts being produced there, in return, Canada shut their borders to cheap foreign cars. Most cars purchased in Canada are from the big 3. Is it really worth losing an entire market to gain those few jobs. and when I say gaining those jobs, I actually mean losing jobs due to a shrinking market, and falling further behind China waiting for these factories to be built.

I've bought Ford Trucks and cars my entire life, but being from Canada, it's looking like this Lightning will be the last one. Pretty Sad about that but if Canada gets Chinese EV's at 1/5th the price, I think I will get over it pretty quick.

 

[Mach Turtle]

I am not sure many realize how intertwined the North American Auto industry is. This is not a matter of US companies building a factory, this is a massive undertaking which would take years with catastrophic shut downs until then. The US is giving Canada a bone with some auto lines and parts being produced there, in return, Canada shut their borders to cheap foreign cars. Most cars purchased in Canada are from the big 3. Is it really worth losing an entire market to gain those few jobs. and when I say gaining those jobs, I actually mean losing jobs due to a shrinking market, and falling further behind China waiting for these factories to be built.

I've bought Ford Trucks and cars my entire life, but being from Canada, it's looking like this Lightning will be the last one. Pretty Sad about that but if Canada gets Chinese EV's at 1/5th the price, I think I will get over it pretty quick.

Valid points, and a good example of why isolationism is a bad idea, why most tariffs are a bad idea, and why bullying your allies is a really bad idea.

 

[lightspeed]

I am not sure many realize how intertwined the North American Auto industry is. This is not a matter of US companies building a factory, this is a massive undertaking which would take years with catastrophic shut downs until then. The US is giving Canada a bone with some auto lines and parts being produced there, in return, Canada shut their borders to cheap foreign cars. Most cars purchased in Canada are from the big 3. Is it really worth losing an entire market to gain those few jobs. and when I say gaining those jobs, I actually mean losing jobs due to a shrinking market, and falling further behind China waiting for these factories to be built.

I've bought Ford Trucks and cars my entire life, but being from Canada, it's looking like this Lightning will be the last one. Pretty Sad about that but if Canada gets Chinese EV's at 1/5th the price, I think I will get over it pretty quick.

Your exactly making Trump's point.

If it weren't for Chinese car bans that exist TODAY and the truck tariffs that exist TODAY, there would already be no auto industry in the US.

It's a race to the bottom.

#LearnToAI

 

[Altivec]

Your exactly making Trump's point.

If it weren't for Chinese car bans that exist TODAY and the truck tariffs that exist TODAY, there would already be no auto industry in the US.

It's a race to the bottom.

#LearnToAI

Not sure how you came to that conclusion. Tariffs work great if you use them right. In the case of Tariffs on Chinese auto to protect your auto industry until it catches back up, is smart. There are no negatives that I can think of. In the case of putting Tariffs on stuff like steel or blanket Tariffs on everything you need makes absolutely no sense. The US only produces 30% of their own steel and aluminum. If the goal is to get that up to 100%, how long will that take. 70% of your manufacturers need steel today and will be forced to pay 25% more to continue making their products. Do you also not think that US steel is not going to raise their prices knowing they are protected. This just raises prices to US consumers but what's even worse is if these manufacturers that buy steel sell their products globally, they will no longer be able to compete. The rest of the world does not pay those Tariffs so their international competitors can produce the product cheaper, which means lost sales internationally. Lost sales, means cut backs and layoffs in the manufacturing sector. Layoffs in the manufacturing sector means you don't need more steel and aluminum so you don't gain any jobs there either.

You are right. It's a race to the bottom. Job losses and skyrocketing prices that is all self inflicted.

 

[astrand1]

Man I’m glad I bought when I did.

While I don’t agree at all with most of the opinions here politically, I love my lightning and I’m also glad I bought when I did. I got a great deal. 0% for 72 months. Could not be happier.

 

[lightspeed]

Not sure how you came to that conclusion. Tariffs work great if you use them right. In the case of Tariffs on Chinese auto to protect your auto industry until it catches back up, is smart. There are no negatives that I can think of. In the case of putting Tariffs on stuff like steel or blanket Tariffs on everything you need makes absolutely no sense. The US only produces 30% of their own steel and aluminum. If the goal is to get that up to 100%, how long will that take. 70% of your manufacturers need steel today and will be forced to pay 25% more to continue making their products. Do you also not think that US steel is not going to raise their prices knowing they are protected. This just raises prices to US consumers but what's even worse is if these manufacturers that buy steel sell their products globally, they will no longer be able to compete. The rest of the world does not pay those Tariffs so their international competitors can produce the product cheaper, which means lost sales internationally. Lost sales, means cut backs and layoffs in the manufacturing sector. Layoffs in the manufacturing sector means you don't need more steel and aluminum so you don't gain any jobs there either.

You are right. It's a race to the bottom. Job losses and skyrocketing prices that is all self inflicted.

You're saying it makes sense to protect the auto industry with tariffs even though it means higher prices to consumers (because we don't let cheap Chinese cars in).

But we shouldn't tariff steel/aluminum, because we import 70% and making those inputs more expensive makes US cars and other goods less competitive globally?

But when we did make 100% of steel locally, it would have made sense then to tariff imports to protect that industry (using your auto industry argument), even though the result would have been higher prices for steel (because we wouldn't have let the cheap Chinese steel)?

Do you see a problem in that logic?

 

[Heliian]

protect the auto industry

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eff...tomotive_industry_crisis_on_the_United_States

The North American auto industry has been bailed out a few times.

 

[Firn]

But when we did make 100% of steel locally, it would have made sense then to tariff imports to protect that industry

even though the result would have been higher prices for steel (because we wouldn't have let the cheap Chinese steel)?

Do you see a problem in that logic?

If you make 100% locally what exactly would that tariff apply to again?

I might not be criticizing others logic here.

 

[earlyadopt]

If the tariffs on steel and aluminum hold, I would expect an $80,000 vehicle would be relatively cheap in the future!
I have mixed feelings about Trump, but I do not think he understands how tariffs or economics work!

Well said, after 5 bankruptcies, one would think he would start to learn what not to do.

 

[RickLightning]

Scotty is a joke. Every time I put a video on with him my wife goes ballistic.

Hatters on the Ford FTE EV sub-forum dominate any pro-EV threads. They just don’t know what they are missing.

Haters...

Go to ask. Why do you waste your time watching videos created by someone you consider a joke?

Well said, after 5 bankruptcies, one would think he would start to learn what not to do.

6.

Also failed companies:

Trump Shuttle
Trump University
Trump Vodka
Trump Mortgage
GoTrump Travel
Trump Stakes (failed in 2 months)

 

[Scorpio3d]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_the_2008–2010_automotive_industry_crisis_on_the_United_States

The North American auto industry has been bailed out a few times.

Ford did not get balled out in 2008 GM and Chrysler did!

 

[earlyadopt]

Haters...

Go to ask. Why do you waste your time watching videos created by someone you consider a joke?



6.

Also failed companies:

Trump Shuttle
Trump University
Trump Vodka
Trump Mortgage
GoTrump Travel
Trump Stakes (failed in 2 months)

I thought there was more than 5 but did not want to embellish the facts. More failures to come

 

[earlyadopt]

You're saying it makes sense to protect the auto industry with tariffs even though it means higher prices to consumers (because we don't let cheap Chinese cars in).

But we shouldn't tariff steel/aluminum, because we import 70% and making those inputs more expensive makes US cars and other goods less competitive globally?

But when we did make 100% of steel locally, it would have made sense then to tariff imports to protect that industry (using your auto industry argument), even though the result would have been higher prices for steel (because we wouldn't have let the cheap Chinese steel)?

Do you see a problem in that logic?

I see what you ae getting at but the one factor that is missing is the (anti dumping) cost to other economies. Lets take the dairy market, if a state over produces too much dairy, instead of dumping it into the ground, they decide to fire sale it into another market. This causes a problem in the market that has kept supply in control and servicing the market it is in. So the dumping part makes total sense to tariff the over supplier. if you tariff to support an industry that will never compete because they lack the key ingredients that drive cost in making the product, then why pay more for inefficient products. Aluminum is a great example. Canada has abundance of cheap electricity (Quebec has hydro dams that have low cost) so half the equation is already a plus for them. Just one smelter in Quebec can service the entire US market. So why would the US attempt to compete in this market. They lack the main ingredients to make Aluminum. The US has advantages in so many other industries that this makes no sense. The abuse of tariffs like what was stated will only increase cost, protect a company that should never be able to operate and cause false hope. The end consumer pays the higher price.
In the case of China and EV's, they have over supplied their own market and looking to dump product. As a consumer, I want one. The big three fat cats have abused us too long. They saw this coming long ago but just waited to get their lacky's in Washington and Ottawa to errect tariffs. Look at Ford now, lots of talk, bluster and no action. This company is so unfocused, who knows if they will survive. Could very well be my last Ford.

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