If a Tesla can recognize all versions of supercharger, why can’t Lightning be programmed to do the same?

[richl025]

The problem with that is that the Tesla superchargers always work. I own Teslas also and I've never had a problem charging away from home, not once. The absolute worst thing about owning a Lightning is dealing with Electrify America chargers.

This reminds me of the Apple vs IBM environments in the 1990s, for personal computers

With an Apple you had much fewer options, but everything was truly "plug and play"

With an IBM (clone), you were guaranteed multiple phone calls to tech support to get your new dial-up modem to work so you could access Compuserve

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[Scorpio3d]

This reminds me of the Apple vs IBM environments in the 1990s, for personal computers

With an Apple you had much fewer options, but everything was truly "plug and play"

With an IBM (clone), you were guaranteed multiple phone calls to tech support to get your new dial-up modem to work so you could access Compuserve

Yes, I remember the “good old days”!!!
5 1/4 inch floppy disks-LOL
Many years later, Windows 3.1 was like eight or ten 3 1/2 inch floppy’s!
My TV remote control is probably 100 times more powerful than my first computer and my iPhone is like 1 million times more powerful!

 

[Firn]

Actually they did have to ask Tesla and enter into agreements to use the Superchargers.

To date, Tesla only allows Fords and Rivians to charge at their Superchargers and as you can see from this thread, not every Supercharger location is open to Non-Tesla vehicles. The debate is whether that is purely a technical limitation or if Tesla intentionally reserves some of their sites in highly congested areas so Tesla owners do not have to compete with other brands for availability.

https://www.tesla.com/support/supercharging-other-evs

No! Ford signed an agreement to USE NACS. The sites they use are NACS SITES. They didn't sign an agreement to use SUPERCHARGERS, they agreed to use NACS sites.

The sites you cannot use are almost all V1 supercharger sites which DO NOT EMPLY NACS as the standard.

I don't know how you keep thinking that "Supercharger" and North American Charging Standard" are the same thing. Rebocks are shoes but shoes are not rebocks. Tesla NACS sites are superchargers but not all Superchargers are NACS. Those terms cannot be used interchangeably.

 

[PrimeRisk]

Again, Ford implemented NACS. They didn't ask tesla to use the Superchargers, they implemented NACS.

Again, yes they did HAVE to ask Tesla to use their infrastructure and it was in the form of legal agreements. Yes, they also had to be compatible with NACS, but that is only the technical component and Ford did not implement NACS, Tesla made them adapters. Just so you're clear, you can't DCFC a Leaf with a NACS to CSS adapter at a Tesla Supercharger. The only Superchargers with the Magic Dock would be open.

No! Ford signed an agreement to USE NACS. The sites they use are NACS SITES. They didn't sign an agreement to use SUPERCHARGERS, they agreed to use NACS sites.

The sites you cannot use are almost all V1 supercharger sites which DO NOT EMPLY NACS as the standard.

I don't know how you keep thinking that "Supercharger" and North American Charging Standard" are the same thing. Rebocks are shoes but shoes are not rebocks. Tesla NACS sites are superchargers but not all Superchargers are NACS. Those terms cannot be used interchangeably.

Pick a lane dude. You argue that they didn't have to ask Tesla and Ford implemented NACS, now you switch to oh they asked to use "NACS SITES". Show me a single official announcement from Tesla or Ford that mentions your "NACS SITES" vs Superchargers.

I have no confusion here at all, it is crystal clear that not all Tesla Superchargers are enabled for NACS, but they are all still Superchargers as per Tesla, Ford, and even Rivian. You are confused about what is allowing the access: Agreements, not just simple implementation of technical standards.

If there was no required agreement with Tesla, then any CSS vehicle with a NACS to CCS adapter could technically charge at a Tesla Supercharger.

They cannot.

Only Ford and Rivian have signed agreements with Tesla that allows the use of their Superchargers.

"Under the Ford-Tesla agreement, Ford says owners as of Thursday will be granted access to more than 15,000 Tesla Superchargers across the U.S. and Canada."

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/29/for...nership-begins-what-drivers-need-to-know.html

"RIVIAN SIGNS AGREEMENT WITH TESLA TO EXPAND CHARGING ACCESS"

"Today Rivian announced that in 2024 Rivian drivers will have access to more than 12,000 Tesla Superchargers across the US and Canada"

https://stories.rivian.com/rivian-and-tesla-accelerate-electrification

The owner of the sites call them Superchargers, the signors of the agreements call them Superchargers. Only you are calling them "NACS SITES".

 

[Firn]

Again, yes they did HAVE to ask Tesla to use their infrastructure and it was in the form of legal agreements. Yes, they also had to be compatible with NACS, but that is only the technical component and Ford did not implement NACS, Tesla made them adapters. Just so you're clear, you can't DCFC a Leaf with a NACS to CSS adapter at a Tesla Supercharger. The only Superchargers with the Magic Dock would be open.



Pick a lane dude. You argue that they didn't have to ask Tesla and Ford implemented NACS, now you switch to oh they asked to use "NACS SITES". Show me a single official announcement from Tesla or Ford that mentions your "NACS SITES" vs Superchargers.

I have no confusion here at all, it is crystal clear that not all Tesla Superchargers are enabled for NACS, but they are all still Superchargers as per Tesla, Ford, and even Rivian. You are confused about what is allowing the access: Agreements, not just simple implementation of technical standards.

If there was no required agreement with Tesla, then any CSS vehicle with a NACS to CCS adapter could technically charge at a Tesla Supercharger.

They cannot.

Only Ford and Rivian have signed agreements with Tesla that allows the use of their Superchargers.

"Under the Ford-Tesla agreement, Ford says owners as of Thursday will be granted access to more than 15,000 Tesla Superchargers across the U.S. and Canada."

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/29/for...nership-begins-what-drivers-need-to-know.html

"RIVIAN SIGNS AGREEMENT WITH TESLA TO EXPAND CHARGING ACCESS"

"Today Rivian announced that in 2024 Rivian drivers will have access to more than 12,000 Tesla Superchargers across the US and Canada"

https://stories.rivian.com/rivian-and-tesla-accelerate-electrification

The owner of the sites call them Superchargers, the signors of the agreements call them Superchargers. Only you are calling them "NACS SITES".

I can only explain it to you, I cant understand it for you.

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