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Tesla's track record related to following through on these promises to support DC fast charging of other manufacturers EVs is pretty bad. My recommendation is don't expect anything from Tesla and you won't be disappointed.
What other promise did they not follow through on? They have offered, but at the time also required/asked that the Tesla port be used on the autos and that was declined, but that isn't on Tesla.
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Well, i would have hoped they could’ve opened more of their network but I can’t complain too much. The high speed CCS network dies about 50 miles north of Boston. About another 100-150 miles beyond that is the prime recreational area for New England. Tesla has *NINE* supercharger stations between the last 150kw CCS and the mountains…just in NH. Only opening one or two of them would make traveling to the mountains way, way easier.
 

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What other promise did they not follow through on? They have offered, but at the time also required/asked that the Tesla port be used on the autos and that was declined, but that isn't on Tesla.
What, have you had your head in the sand the last ten years? Tesla has a long history of saying they were going to support other manufacturers and then never following through. The last very poignant example is where Tesla said they were going to have CCS chargers in the USA by the end of 2022, see how far that went.
 

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Tesla's track record related to following through on these promises to support DC fast charging of other manufacturers EVs is pretty bad. My recommendation is don't expect anything from Tesla and you won't be disappointed.
Hmmm…. They have only said previously that they will eventually open the North American charging network in some capacity. It’s never been specific until this news discussed in this thread. However they have opened the networks in every location outside N.A. They have stated they would and the progress of stations being opened has outpaced their announced schedules. While not without some glitches, they’re making better progress than they said they would.
 

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Hmmm…. They have only said previously that they will eventually open the North American charging network in some capacity. It’s never been specific until this news discussed in this thread. However they have opened the networks in every location outside N.A. They have stated they would and the progress of stations being opened has outpaced their announced schedules. While not without some glitches, they’re making better progress than they said they would.
another ostrich.

One of many if you look for them;
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Whatever, dude. The Magic Dock existence leaked out less than 30 days ago. This is how they’re providing CCS on their new charger units and is part of all the announcements over the past few days. This wasn’t an announcement of any sort, but a leak. If you want to substantiate what you’re saying, then provide a source that shows Tesla ever announced when, where and how they were going to open up their network.
 
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7.5 Billion Ă· 7500 chargers = 1 million per charger.

What a government boondoggle.
Tesla isn’t getting all the money 🙄

Tesla has a long history of saying they were going to support other manufacturers and then never following through. The last very poignant example is where Tesla said they were going to have CCS chargers in the USA by the end of 2022, see how far that went.
Right?!

I’ll believe it when I see it. Difficult to put any stock in a timeline for a company not known for their understanding of timelines. For examples, see: just about everything.
 

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Tesla Supercharging will always be a last resort, back up charging option for me. I did a Scottdale run from Denver in my Taycan Cross Turismo last month, and am in the middle of a road trip to Houston in my Ford F-150 Lightning right now and have not encountered a single issue or delay at any of the 17 different Electrify America chargers in six states I have used in the past month while on the road trips.

And for people that claim that Tesla is the only "reliable" long distance EV charging network, please let me know when you have done over 50,000 highway miles in over 14 states exclusively using Electrify America and never being stranded. Because I have.

Not trying be a jerk about this, but people who complain about Electrify America tend to the the ones have have taken one short road trip, or regurgitate 3rd hand stories.

Not saying that Electrify America is perfect, but it is not as bad as people claim.
I have over 265,000 pure EV miles, mostly in three Teslas. My last 12.5k are in a Lightning. I have used Superchargers all over the country since they first existed in 2013. I have used EA all over the eastern US, and have driven my truck on four 1,000-mile+ road trips since July, mostly using EA. EA are pure junk, unreliable, have been worse than inconsistent in start-up procedure, have about a 70% reliability rate, far worse speed reliability - in my personal experience. I had to switch pylons at Superchargers maybe ten times in nine years. I have to switch pylons at EA chargers every single day, no exceptions. Their interface is crap, their phone service is at least present, but usually nothing that can be done. Tesla has never left me stranded. EA has done so twice. In just the past six months. I am a heavy ABRP user, have the dongle, use PlugShare religiously because the Ford and EA systems have no real-time status info. But except for that, you are 100% correct - I apparently don’t know anything, am a noob. Except I have driven more EV miles and likely have more EV charging experience than anyone you know, so yeah, you don’t know what you are talking about. Folks like Kyle at Out of Spec have it right when they are advising against buying anything but Tesla for now if road trips are important part of driving. Because EA is NOT cutting it - in cold areas 100% of their newest chargers are inoperable and folks are having to get hotel rooms to wait out the cold conditions. That has NEVER happened with Tesla - their chargers are immune to cold, might start slightly slower, but work just fine.
 

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If if a Tesla destination charger "flipped a switch", that would still have a Tesla plug and be non-compliant. It has to have a CCS plug, no adapter furnished by the consumer, or it gets no funds.
Every Tesla destination charger can already charge our trucks. I have a Tesla-to-Lightning converter, use it for this purpose all the time. I suspect you are referring to Tesla Superchargers, which are different than destination chargers, which are Level 2 (my Tesla wall chargers are the same as Tesla destination chargers found at hotels, many other places, and I can now charge my Lightning at many Marriotts, for example).
 
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I hear you—EA is what we have and I’ve done quite a few road-trips through 10 states (some with a trailer) and I was never stranded (although I did have to sleep in the RV one night at a level 2 after trying every Royal Farm DCFC on the DelMarVa peninsula to no avail). But I also don’t think “never stranded” should be the performance standard. I wasn’t stuck, but there was quite a bit of unnecessary frustration and delays. Many times arriving at a 4 unit facility with all showing green lights and all indicating available on the app. But plug in and fail to initiate, or start then shortly quit or only put out 60 kW even though it should be pushing me 150 or more. Sometimes having to move to a different unit to get a proper charge and several times not being able to charge at all. I always plan to have a divert station available for that reason. I still love my truck and am willing to put up with the frustration of charging on road trips because it is more comfortable than my Tesla, but if charging it was as carefree as charging my Model Y, that would be awesome!
Did you try the EV Go’s at Salisbury University? They have been pretty good in a pinch, although tough to find the first time. We are in a charging dessert on DelMarVa, and EA does not seem to be in any hurry to solve it.
 

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Every Tesla destination charger can already charge our trucks. I have a Tesla-to-Lightning converter, use it for this purpose all the time. I suspect to are referring to Tesla Superchargers, which are different than destination chargers, which are Level 2 (my Tesla wall chargers are the same as Tesla destination chargers found at hotels, many other places, and I can now charge my Lightning at many Marriotts, for example).
I am not.

Tesla will be converting destination chargers to comply with the IRA requirements. Using an adapter provided by the customer is not acceptable.
 

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I am not.

Tesla will be converting destination chargers to comply with the IRA requirements. Using an adapter provided by the customer is not acceptable.
Why not? It’s cheap, reliable, tiny, easily obtained, and I’m already using it all the time. I had a huge box of adapters in my Tesla to use at marinas, welding shops, RV parks, and J1772 outlets, which is what our trucks require to do Level 2 (NOT full CCS as everyone here keeps parroting). There’s no reason that any Lightning owner who wants to be able to use a Tesla destination charger shouldn’t buy the adapter, just as most every Tesla driver has adapters to go the other way. You do not need and never will need a CCS adapter to use a Tesla destination charger, and Tesla will never provide that - it would be stupid. They may be forced to provide a separate J1772 cable (that terminates at half of a CCS plug), but that is redundant, wasteful, and will lead to added maintenance hassle.
 
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Did you try the EV Go’s at Salisbury University? They have been pretty good in a pinch, although tough to find the first time. We are in a charging dessert on DelMarVa, and EA does not seem to be in any hurry to solve it.
No. I was coming from the north and going to Bethany Beach, so I didn’t make it that way, but it’s good to know if I’m out there. At least the Royal Farms locations show as a wrench in PlugShare now. Maybe they will fix them before the summer.
 

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Dude, you got to do better than reference freakin' Kyle and his diarrhea of the mouth Youtube videos. I am embarrassed for you that you even brought him up. His ego is out of control, and he is a complete lightweight since he knows no one in the government entities providing the future direction of fast charging in the US. When was the last time he had a hard hitting interview on any of his channels to help people understand what companies are doing to improve charger reliability? Oh yeah, never.

If you don't like the CCS charging environment then please stick to a Tesla and leave more room for the rest of us.

Btw, Kyle says Hi from a dead Tesla supercharger site.

I’m not going to engage with you on this other than to say he’s quite respected and makes a living doing evaluations - some of his stuff gets skipped over here, but EV auto manufacturers give him first access, AND he’s the only one of significance getting EA’s attention on these issues. You may dismiss him, but EA and Ford are not - they are all over what he’s pointing out, calling him, engaging directly - if you care about EA and CCS’s future you better be a Kyle rooter because right now he’s teh best advocate we’ve got.

As to your snarky CCS fanboi attitude toward my stated views, I am full-in, no longer own a Tesla, am not a fan at all there. However their Supercharger network is light years ahead of where EA and the entire community of non-Tesla DCFC stands today, and I say this from deep experience, more experience in both networks than perhaps any but a few in the entire country. Kyle would be one with more actual EA charges than me, but not Supercharges. Superchargers just work. EA mostly does not work, full stop. My EV road tripping predates Superchargers, includes many long hours at RV outlets. Most of my EA usage now is I-95 from South Florida to Virginia, a 1,050-mile trip between my homes. I KNOW I can do that trip comfortably and with no issue on the supercharger network. I also KNOW that it is not possible to do so with confidence on the EA network, even though there is plenty of “technical” coverage on that route - and I know that I will be charging in sketchy locations in the back of parking lots in spots with no sevices and at stores that aren’t open 24 hours. Yet I will do it again next month in both directions, this time towing a 9,100-lb boat northbound. It simply is an inferior experience compared to Supercharging. So forget Kyle’s guidance - my guidance is that if you are looking to buy your first EV and road trips are an important element, I would not buy a car that depends on CCS DCFC at this time. My circumstances (towing) require it and I love my truck for 95% of my driving, far superior to the MX it replaced, but Ford’s charging act is not together, whether getting my HIS bidirectional system running, which they have not managed to do, or their road trip support charging systems.
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