RAM cancels REV long range model

[Pioneer74]

The long-range variant of the Ram 1500 REV, which was set to include a massive 229 kWh battery pack designed to achieve an impressive range of up to 500 miles on a single charge, has reportedly been shelved. This version aimed to provide best-in-class mileage, making it a standout option in the expanding market for full-sized electric trucks.

https://moparinsiders.com/ram-1500-...l-canceled-as-ramcharger-takes-the-spotlight/

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[TaxmanHog]

Smart decision, let the hybrid take on the challenges of high load and long distances, leaving the L model for mall crawling, local lumber yard and grocery getting.

 

[F150ROD]

Damn

 

[Grumpy2]

Easier to keep the price within more folk's pocketbook and the sales volume reasonable.

 

[Firn]

I never really understood the goals Ram was going for here. If you have a hybrid you don't need massive battery range, that's the point of the hybrid. 100 miles or so is all you need on the battery, that will cover 95% of most of the drives people make.

Frankly, this sounds like a good move

 

[Altivec]

I never really understood the goals Ram was going for here. If you have a hybrid you don't need massive battery range, that's the point of the hybrid. 100 miles or so is all you need on the battery, that will cover 95% of most of the drives people make.

Frankly, this sounds like a good move

Exactly. I own a plug in hybrid car. If you have that size of battery, the engine will never be used which is bad for the engine and fuel. You are also carrying the extra weight of that engine and fuel all the time.

I am not even a big supporter of plug-in hybrids either. I got one because I wanted an EV but was too scared of range anxiety and thought it would be the best of both worlds. I ended up using it as EV almost all the time, which caused the issues I mentioned above. Now that its getting older, problems are arising due to the complexity of having both systems, one hardly used with dried up seals, and the other one with a battery that went through a lot of cycles because its small. Double the problems, double the expenses, and few that will work on them. I always recommend choosing either EV or gas.

 

[Henry Ford]

Smart decision, let the hybrid take on the challenges of high load and long distances, leaving the L model for mall crawling, local lumber yard and grocery getting.

And doing manly truck stuff! You forgot that that part of city-folk truck ownership. Definitely manly truck stuff!

 

[Henry Ford]

Now that its getting older, problems are arising due to the complexity of having both systems, one hardly used with dried up seals, and the other one with a battery that went through a lot of cycles because its small. Double the problems, double the expenses, and few that will work on them. I always recommend choosing either EV or gas.

Getting rid of the engine was high on my list of reasons to get an EV. Stuff breaks on EVs but there's less stuff to break and no oil changes.

 

[IdeaOfTheDayCom]

https://moparinsiders.com/ram-1500-...l-canceled-as-ramcharger-takes-the-spotlight/

My Lightning is my second EV, and in my case I went with the Standard Range version simply because it became apparent with my first EV that range was not a priority for me, and I feel that in a few years when more fast charging stations are available, it will be less important for everyone.

My Standard Range has about 100 kWh and when it's not cold out, I'm actually getting close to 300 miles, which is above the promised 210. For local driving, all I need is enough miles to last me through the day because I charge at home and I can start the next day with 80% or more.

For long trips, I just need enough to make it to the next charging station, which turns out to be around the time I need to take a bathroom and food break.

I can't even imagine needing 229 kWh and 500 miles. There's a tradeoff when it comes to the added weight, physical battery size, and time to charge.

Meanwhile CyberTruck's extended battery actually takes up space in the bed, not to mention that's where they put the spare, if you get both you won't have any bed space at all, so it turns it into a CyberCar, but that's another story.

 

[earlyadopt]

Exactly. I own a plug in hybrid car. If you have that size of battery, the engine will never be used which is bad for the engine and fuel. You are also carrying the extra weight of that engine and fuel all the time.

I am not even a big supporter of plug-in hybrids either. I got one because I wanted an EV but was too scared of range anxiety and thought it would be the best of both worlds. I ended up using it as EV almost all the time, which caused the issues I mentioned above. Now that its getting older, problems are arising due to the complexity of having both systems, one hardly used with dried up seals, and the other one with a battery that went through a lot of cycles because its small. Double the problems, double the expenses, and few that will work on them. I always recommend choosing either EV or gas.

Totally agree. Hybrids and Plug in hybrid cars have the inherent worst parts of both technologies. Too heavy for good gas mileage and higher maintenance cost, let alone the expertise to deal with it. Maybe RAM made the right decision till the higher density solid state battery comes that will charge faster and hold more charge per kilogram.

 

[Bills R Electric]

I didn't know how they were going to build it in the 1st place. 500 miles of range? In a truck?

I remember when Tesla announced a 500 mile pickup.
And when Rivian announced a 500 mile range R1T.

They all got ahead of the available tech and hope they could fake it until the make it.
Not there yet. It will be awesome if we get there someday (with a battery that is not the size of a small boat)

 

[earlyadopt]

I didn't know how they were going to build it in the 1st place. 500 miles of range? In a truck?

I remember when Tesla announced a 500 mile pickup.
And when Rivian announced a 500 mile range R1T.

They all got ahead of the available tech and hope they could fake it until the make it.
Not there yet. It will be awesome if we get there someday (with a battery that is not the size of a small boat)

That is called a Musk-rat (Elon Musk) move. Sell vapourware and futures till you deliver years later. I guess it puts pressure on the engineers to make it happen.

 

[lightspeed]

The Ramcharger isn't a hybrid -- just to be clear -- it's a BEV with a generator.

Long term, gas-electric generators won't make sense and trucks will be all battery (when gen2 or gen3 batteries are mass produced), but short term it makes a lot of sense as an interim technology.

Put a 60kWh battery in a truck which saves 900lbs over a current 120kWh battery. Put a 200HP generator in the front which weighs 400lbs wet and you're still saving 500+lbs over a current gen battery.

Truck gets 150 miles on just battery, but now can go infinite range on gas AND the gas generator can be used to warm up cold batteries in extreme cold negating one of the worst aspects of BEVs (cold range loss).

 

[Altivec]

That is called a Musk-rat (Elon Musk) move. Sell vapourware and futures till you deliver years later. I guess it puts pressure on the engineers to make it happen.

It also negatively impacts competitors sales. A lot of people cancelled or held off Lightning purchases because of all these promises. I mean why would you get a Lightning when you can get a CT with 500 miles range for 39k. Then you wait for delay after delay. Years go by and then its oooops sorry, we couldn't do it. Here is an abomination that gets 300miles range for 80K. These companies know exactly what they are doing. Ram has been talking the talk ever since the Lightning was announced 4 years ago and yet here we are, another 500mile promise turning into lies (I mean sorry, we don't think its a great idea any more announcements).

 

[earlyadopt]

The Ramcharger isn't a hybrid -- just to be clear -- it's a BEV with a generator.

Long term, gas-electric generators won't make sense and trucks will be all battery (when gen2 or gen3 batteries are mass produced), but short term it makes a lot of sense as an interim technology.

Put a 60kWh battery in a truck which saves 900lbs over a current 120kWh battery. Put a 200HP generator in the front which weighs 400lbs wet and you're still saving 500+lbs over a current gen battery.

Truck gets 150 miles on just battery, but now can go infinite range on gas AND the gas generator can be used to warm up cold batteries in extreme cold negating one of the worst aspects of BEVs (cold range loss).

Clearly for the customer that does longer trips or hauling frequently. The gas used now does not store well for long periods of time. Not sure if the generator is not frequently use if issues around the gas intakes getting gummed up. I know my snowblower does not do well if I leve gas in it all summer. Any time you add more moving parts and complexity to a solution, problems happen.

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