Taking the Politics Out of EVs

[StevenC56]

But you need Musk to go to Mars!

I was going to say Uranus suites him better. But on second thought, maybe it's anyone's who buys his vehicles.

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[ashadkc9]

Same here. Between my 2 EV's and my Gadsden flag flying under my American flag, my neighbors don't know what to think of me.

Same. I have a Don't Tread on Me Missouri License plate with a custom plate nod to my favorite NASCAR team. It sure does make people's heads spin.

 

[Danface]

I have a follow on idea, let's take politics out of lots of other things and see each other as people with a different points of view which, hopefully, are supported by real information (DAM IT, I may have crossed my own line, DOH!)

 

[Sgt. Carter]

EV’s are opening up a world of new jobs requiring skills that don’t necessarily come with a college degree. When I talk with technical school and community college leaders they tell me they’re growing the options for skills training as fast as they can. And Congress has pending legislation that will allow Pell Grants for certificate, license and associate degree programs - not just 4-year degrees. This is where we can lead the world - if we can get more people to open their eyes to the possibilities that come with growing technology and changing our perspectives. Most major engineering and construction companies are desperate for skilled workers. Journeymen welders, electricians and steam fitters can easily make >$150K per year because manufacturing and tech projects need them. So EVs are just the lever that moves the technology that moves the requirement and ultimately the economy.

 

[sotek2345]

Consumers have the ultimate ability to buy a product or not. Most consumers also are functioning members of society who can have some degree of control on policies and elected officials who write these standards into law. If you, or any consumer out there, has valid argument against the current CAFE standards, lets hear it. Something that isn’t just “we don’t want it” or “me like big engine, make loud noises and smell of gasoline.”

I happen to agree with you completely - but I rarely pass up a chance for a good debate

The Constitution of the U.S. which denotes the powers of the Federal government makes no mention of vehicles, fuels, or energy - therefore the power to regulate these is not given to the Federal government per a strict textual reading of the document. The Interstate commerce clause does not apply in this case as the purchase of a vehicle is primarily done locally (dealer) and the purchase of fuel/energy is also done primarily locally. The 10th amendment states that any power not given to the Federal government is given to the States or the People - therefore it is up to each state if they want to regulate emissions or not.

The federal government is restricted to regulating emissions on commercial motor vehicles that operate between states (commerce clause)

 

[Firn]

I happen to agree with you completely - but I rarely pass up a chance for a good debate

The Constitution of the U.S. which denotes the powers of the Federal government makes no mention of vehicles, fuels, or energy - therefore the power to regulate these is not given to the Federal government per a strict textual reading of the document. The Interstate commerce clause does not apply in this case as the purchase of a vehicle is primarily done locally (dealer) and the purchase of fuel/energy is also done primarily locally. The 10th amendment states that any power not given to the Federal government is given to the States or the People - therefore it is up to each state if they want to regulate emissions or not.

The federal government is restricted to regulating emissions on commercial motor vehicles that operate between states (commerce clause)

Would that not then be claiming the EPA as a whole is unconstitutional?

 

[sotek2345]

Would that not then be claiming the EPA as a whole is unconstitutional?

That read (which, one again, I don't agree with) would vastly restrict not only the EPA, but just about all Federal Government I'm going to activities.

 

[Danface]

EV’s are opening up a world of new jobs requiring skills that don’t necessarily come with a college degree. When I talk with technical school and community college leaders they tell me they’re growing the options for skills training as fast as they can. And Congress has pending legislation that will allow Pell Grants for certificate, license and associate degree programs - not just 4-year degrees. This is where we can lead the world - if we can get more people to open their eyes to the possibilities that come with growing technology and changing our perspectives. Most major engineering and construction companies are desperate for skilled workers. Journeymen welders, electricians and steam fitters can easily make >$150K per year because manufacturing and tech projects need them. So EVs are just the lever that moves the technology that moves the requirement and ultimately the economy.

Right on! The "sad" thing is vocational high schools slots are being taken by kids who then go onto to get engineering degrees (all good) BUT in the meantime takes slots from kids who aren't going to college (all good) but can't get the training (bad)

 

[jdmackes]

Well, with Trump winning it looks like the EV tax credit will soon be going away. Who knows if EV's will continue to sell at an increased amount YOY

 

[Tony Burgh]

Well, with Trump winning it looks like the EV tax credit will soon be going away. Who knows if EV's will continue to sell at an increased amount YOY

Do you think Trump’s new bff Elon will agree to that?

 

[StevenC56]

Do you think Trump’s new bff Elon will agree to that?

They will probably figure out how to keep the tax credit for only Tesla.

 

[Pioneer74]

Well, with Trump winning it looks like the EV tax credit will soon be going away. Who knows if EV's will continue to sell at an increased amount YOY

Do you have proof, or are you just fear mongering?

 

[sotek2345]

Do you have proof, or are you just fear mongering?

Trump has promised to get rid of it and Musk has asked him to and supports removing it. From a competition standpoint that makes sense. Tesla is profitable whereas other manufacturers are not from their EV divisions. Without the credit, sales will drop off for them, but Tesla still has some room to reduce costs. Note: Trump also promised to get rid of the Infrastructure Bill, Inflation reduction act, and chips act.

Hyundai/Kia might be the only other benefactor as they don't get the credit now and are still doing well. Depends on how the tarriffs are applied though.

 

[jdmackes]

Do you have proof, or are you just fear mongering?

He's literally said he would get rid of it. Now, will he actually do anything that he says? Who knows, as he seems to be all over the place with everything and a lot of what he says is just pandering to his base, but he's said he would get rid of it so that's what I would assume he'll do. With Republicans gaining control of the house and senate as well, it's not like anything could stop it.

 

[Grumpy2]

I can imagine an effort to roll back the effects of the IRA with regard to the charging network also.

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