WHY does EA charge cost VARY, even at the same location??

[hturnerfamily]

what I just posted, from the GEORGIA LAW, clearly says that there is currently NO taxes for charging, and not until 2025, whether you agree with that, or not... and no EA screen has EVER shown ANY taxes, at Georgia EA stations. But, if you have proof that you have been charged, please show us.

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[hturnerfamily]

also, whether using the native app for EA or CP or EVgo, or the FordPassApp, I've never seen any 'tax' added, even though they may have a 'line' for it: it is blank, or it is $0.

I also don't believe it is correct to 'assume' that the FordPassApp charging/billing email would have a 'line' for taxes, and yet just decide 'not' to show taxes, if there really were any, and just 'lump' it into the overall cost. There aren't any, so therefore it doesn't show any.

 

[RickLightning]

also, whether using the native app for EA or CP or EVgo, or the FordPassApp, I've never seen any 'tax' added, even though they may have a 'line' for it: it is blank, or it is $0.

I also don't believe it is correct to 'assume' that the FordPassApp charging/billing email would have a 'line' for taxes, and yet just decide 'not' to show taxes, if there really were any, and just 'lump' it into the overall cost. There aren't any, so therefore it doesn't show any.

I have charged in many states. FordPass never shows a number in the tax field, yet tax is charged.

 

[RickLightning]

also, whether using the native app for EA or CP or EVgo, or the FordPassApp, I've never seen any 'tax' added, even though they may have a 'line' for it: it is blank, or it is $0.

I also don't believe it is correct to 'assume' that the FordPassApp charging/billing email would have a 'line' for taxes, and yet just decide 'not' to show taxes, if there really were any, and just 'lump' it into the overall cost. There aren't any, so therefore it doesn't show any.

Summarizing for others:

Fact - EA charges sales tax on charging if a state has sales tax. Sales taxes vary by state, and location within state.

Fact -Ford's BlueOval Charge Network receipts never show sales tax. Their session fee number includes sales tax from EA, all lumped together.

Proof is below. Have a good day.

Here's one example of sales tax in Georgia, at Pooler, showing sales tax of 7%. Second picture shows the location, and the same total.

Here's one from Brunswick, GA, 6% sales tax:

As to whether Ford shows sales tax or not:

In September 2021, I charged with EA at Lake City. My charging session, reported in EA and downloadable from the app, shows a cost of $12.09, sales tax of $0.85, and a total of $12.94.

In February 2023, I charged with FordPass at Lake City. My receipt shows a session fee of $1.68, no sales tax, and a total of $1.68. The receipt is below. The charge sessions was short because I had to do 4 sessions due to the charges constantly crapping out, one of the worst EA locations.

 

[TaxmanHog]

 

[hturnerfamily]

right, but I think where you are seeing any tax is when there is a local jurisdiction that is mandating a local 'sales tax', where the State of Georgia is not involved. The new law for 2025 will be GEORGIA taxation, not local.

 

[TaxmanHog]

right, but I think where you are seeing any tax is when there is a local jurisdiction that is mandating a local 'sales tax', where the State of Georgia is not involved. The new law for 2025 will be GEORGIA taxation, not local.

Rick has shown us a couple examples showing combined rates higher than the State base tax rate, so that would include the state, county, municipal, and neighborhood leg breakers cut, jeeeez louis ... I love taxes

 

[Heliian]

Canada here. It's not the government's fault for the per kWh pricing not available. The current stations are lacking at best of times but to bill per kWh requires calibrated metering per the weights and measures act. That's going to drive the cost up and the station operators wanted carte blanche to bypass the pesky calibration and metering requirements, how about no.

Per minute is fine if you aren't using Petro Canadas pulling a fast one DC chargers.
Pulled up Saturday, 2 stalls, just me and got 130kwish from a 200kw labeled unit. Sunday at the same stall, with another lightning already charging at 130ish kw next door I got 42kw for 15 minutes until the other truck disconnected then mine went up to 130ish again. Still 50 cents a minute.

Everywhere else has been as advertised.

Also, Petro went from 33 cents a minute to 50 cents a couple months before I got my truck.

At the end of the day it's still costing less than a 3rd of what my 2.7tt f150 would have used in gasoline.

 

[Toby57]

Question, when looking for a place to charge, do your apps give you the taxes charged at each location?

Thanks.

 

[TaxmanHog]

Question, when looking for a place to charge, do your apps give you the taxes charged at each location?

Thanks.

EA app, Plugshare and ChargeHub do not detail the tax rates.

 

[Toby57]

EA app, Plugshare and ChargeHub do not detail the tax rates.

Thank you.
It is not that much difference if one charges 9.6% tax but thirty miles north the tax is 6.8%..
But, I have known people to drive across town to save three cents per gallon of gas.

 

[Calvin H-C]

Nope ..... once the DPU of Mass allowed them to toll by the KWH, the net cost is double what it was previously by the minute.

No argument with the cost doubling when the switch from by-the-minute to kWh occurred, but was it cause and effect or convenient coincidence?

Call me cynical, but I suggest that the switch in method of fees was used to jack up the price and not make it too obvious (until the final bill for a session comes in).

Sadly, if there was a possibility of changing back, it would probably be used to jack up prices again.

 

[Maquis]

No argument with the cost doubling when the switch from by-the-minute to kWh occurred, but was it cause and effect or convenient coincidence?

Call me cynical, but I suggest that the switch in method of fees was used to jack up the price and not make it too obvious (until the final bill for a session comes in).

Sadly, if there was a possibility of changing back, it would probably be used to jack up prices again.

No….the per minute rate was set so the price wasn’t outrageous for slower-charging vehicles. That made it a super bargain for those who can maximize the charge rate. Per KW pricing levels the playing field. While the price went up for Lightning owners, it went down for owners of slower-charging vehicles.
I know some have 2 tiers depending on how fast you can charge, but if you have a vehicle that charged at the low end of either tier, you still paid a lot.

 

[Adventureboy]

You've got to be kidding!

Here in Canada, the by the minute ripoff is the norm. Measurements Canada only recently changed the regulations to allow kWh pricing but it will be awhile before it is adopted by charging networks, mostly because Canadians seldom complain through official channels.

Compare this with ICE vehicles... Imagine if a fill up cost $100 and took 5 minutes of pump operation, so they decided to start charging $20 per minute. No big deal since the 5 minute fill up still costs $100.

Then you find if you fill up when it's busy they slow down the flow of gas and it takes 8 minutes to fill up, but this now costs you $160 plus 3 more minutes of your time. That's what by the minute charging does.

One other note, specifically about EA... They were facing a class action lawsuit a few years back by Hyundai Kona owners over the by the minute charging. The price tier was based on the initial handshake with the vehicle where it said what rate it could take. The Kona would say 86 kW and the EA second tier was 75-150, so it would charge that price but rarely deliver above 75 kW. EA's ultimate solution was to change from three tiers to two, with the lower being up to 125 kW.

Ontario in particular is an issue (I'm in Richmond Hill too). Per-minute pricing only works if the stations give you the proper charge rates. Per KWh billing is much more fair and provides station owners more incentive to actually deliver higher KW charging rates so they can bill you more KWh in a shorter period of time. Many provide lower charge rates than the station is rated for and lower than what the truck is asking for so they can bill you more time. Per minute quite simply is a scam if the requested KW rates are not provided.

 

[hturnerfamily]

it looks like some jurisdictions are passing on local taxes, others are not, and Georgia's new 'EV Charging tax' has not yet been started... oh well... it sounds like DC Fast Charging, in general, is still the wild west. Who knows what you'll get, until you get there. And, we have little to no control over any of it, anyway.

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