Is $9,400 Sunrun Home Integration System worthless if you sell your truck? or can it be re-purposed?

[Mr. Flibble]

I wonder…

Is there a poll yet of what % people on this site are spending the money to get the SunRun HIS ?

I don’t think I’ve seen a poll result, and it certainly feels like very few are pulling the trigger on getting the full Monty SunRun HIS installation with their truck.

We will probably end up getting it, as dragging out our generator is a major pain in the ass, and we regularly get long power outages. Plus, because we already had a bunch of work done, the cost of installation will probably be a lot lower than most peoples as we already have conduit routed and scoped it for future upgrades. So it should be a case of mounting the hardware outside right behind our main panels, and then running the cables through the existing conduit to the garage, installing the EVSE, and done.

That should drop a lot of the install charges, plus we already have a contractor that is performing other house work, so we can add it in for a fair price to the other jobs we have.

So, I would say we are very likely getting it - unless there is something outrageous about it that we don't yet know.

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[Roy2001]

I did not know, which is kind of why I asked the question.

I guess it depends on who you get to install it.

OK, the whole purpose of this system is to use your super large battery pack as storage to feed you home when you want or when power failure. Without battery, this $9400 system has zero usage unless you have some kind of battery to connect to it.

Sorry I thought you were giving suggestions. Apologize.

 

[merek]

We will probably end up getting it, as dragging out our generator is a major pain in the ass, and we regularly get long power outages. Plus, because we already had a bunch of work done, the cost of installation will probably be a lot lower than most peoples as we already have conduit routed and scoped it for future upgrades. So it should be a case of mounting the hardware outside right behind our main panels, and then running the cables through the existing conduit to the garage, installing the EVSE, and done.

That should drop a lot of the install charges, plus we already have a contractor that is performing other house work, so we can add it in for a fair price to the other jobs we have.

So, I would say we are very likely getting it - unless there is something outrageous about it that we don't yet know.

I didn't look into installation too closely, but I am assuming it's similar to how my generator was installed, in which you need to place the device between your main panel and meter. It's a fairly labor intensive job and annoying -- as you have to pull the meter, reroute the service line, etc. I watched them do it for mine, and routing that service line looked awful.

 

[Mr. Flibble]

I didn't look into installation too closely, but I am assuming it's similar to how my generator was installed, in which you need to place the device between your main panel and meter. It's a fairly labor intensive job and annoying -- as you have to pull the meter, reroute the service line, etc. I watched them do it for mine, and routing that service line looked awful.

My guess is that they can re-use a lot of the work that was done for our current generator. Though we have a manual transfer switch, and that would need to be replaced.

The upshot (for us) is that we also need a full panel upgrade as our sub panel is too small, so this will be done at the same time that we upgrade our panel, as they need to tear everything apart anyways for that. So a lot of our costs will be rolled into work we already need done.

 

[Mr. Flibble]

My wife is gonna be pissed if I’m at my girlfriends house when the power goes out at home. I’m gonna pass at this feature.

I find it strange that people always bring this up.

To be sure, this can happen. But most of the time that power goes out and we notice, we are also at home. When we are at home, our cars are also at home. So while this can happen, it is probably less common.

It also makes me wonder how this will be handled if you have two EVs - both of which are capable of powering your home.

 

[merek]

I suspect a lot of people will just install a 220v inlet and run the same amount of power out of the bed of the truck in a pinch. It seems really silly that we need all of this hardware, when the truck has enough onboard AC inverters. Seems like GFCI might be an issue though, but I don't think anyone has tried it yet.

I think something like this...but I didn't look into this one too closely, so don't take my word for it. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Relianc...Circuit-Transfer-Switch-Kit-3006HDK/202213700

 

[TaxmanHog]

Please keep this professional, clean up was needed ......

I am no electrician nor an engineer, but recall watching a technical video with NEC experts discussion standardization of V2H protocols such that all manufacturers would follow the leaders of this evolving technology, is it a waste going down this path, who knows for sure, all I know is I chose VHS of BETAMAX back in the day and look where were at now.

Now back you your regularly scheduled conversation!

 

[Pjlightning]

Where are we getting the 10k figure from BTW?

Last I heard it was $4000

https://insideevs.com/news/583042/f150-lightning-home-integration-system-pricing/

I got it off of the DocuSign contract that SunRun sent me tonight. Installation can get done On June 23rd if I sign it now. My truck is due to be delivered on June 13th-ish, so this would fit the timeline well, if I can justify the cost.

 

[Mr. Flibble]

I got it off of the DocuSign contract that SunRun sent me tonight. Installation can get done On June 23rd if I sign it now. My truck is due to be delivered on June 13th-ish, so this would fit the timeline well, if I can justify the cost.

Wow.

I don't know anything about your house; but to my mind that is too much.

You need to buy the hardware from them, but any qualified electrician should be able to install it for you.

 

[merek]

3x material is generally a good rule of thumb. In this case, it's probably about 4500 in material, and the rest labor. Not awful.

 

[ninjaybot]

I was quoted same price with estimated install of 21st. Truck eta 24th - 30th. I signed on.

 

[Pjlightning]

Please keep this professional, clean up was needed ......

I am no electrician nor an engineer, but recall watching a technical video with NEC experts discussion standardization of V2H protocols such that all manufacturers would follow the leaders of this evolving technology, is it a waste going down this path, who knows for sure, all I know is I chose VHS of BETAMAX back in the day and look where were at now.

Now back you your regularly scheduled conversation!

Taxman,
How are those polls started?

It would be great to see who is:

1. Going all in with SunRun installation of HIS

2. Buying HIS equipment from SunRun, but using their own electrician for install

3. Not buying HIS at all

Not sure if you as administrator runs polls, or how that works (and not to create work for you - you’ve done amazing work for everyone here already!!)

But It would be interesting to see the results

 

[Ken]

I'm leaning towards getting it, but I'm in CA with time of use electrical billing, and Ford has said that load leveling will be a future software capability. We've only had the power out at the house for more than an hour once in the last 7 years, so the backup isn't that important to me. Having the truck power the house during peak usage times might pay for the install over a 5-6 year period. Our solar panels have paid for themselves already in 7 years.

 

[TaxmanHog]

Taxman,
How are those polls started?

It would be great to see who is:

1. Going all in with SunRun installation of HIS

2. Buying HIS equipment from SunRun, but using their own electrician for install

3. Not buying HIS at all

Not sure if you as administrator runs polls, or how that works (and not to create work for you - you’ve done amazing work for everyone here already!!)

But It would be interesting to see the results

Poll created at top of thread.

 

[PV2EV]

The quotes are to install the Bi-Directional Inverter, Microgrid Integration Device (transfer switch), Dark Start Battery (for grid down start of the system) and the Ford Charge Station Pro EVSE.

If you subtract the cost to have Sunrun install the FCSP, which I think was $1,500, then you have a $8k system. If you have new solar installed along with this, $8k is reasonable for the installed inverter, and makes a lot of sense (nearly free?). If you can get them to include or discount a new subpanel with this that helps as well (half the install cost).

If you are not integrating this with solar, it really does not make sense (assuming the BDI can charge the truck with solar). If like me, you are going to have to rip out and ebay a newish functioning inverter, this might make sense, but the install cost is too high. I may still do this by doing the retrofit myself, but would prefer a standards based system.

If the BDI has been reduced from 10kW to 4kW (which is what the website says now), this is a useless solution and undercuts ALL of the marketing Ford did on HIS, and a major reason I wanted the truck.

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