Competition: Ram 1500 REV Specs Released - Range, Towing, Payload and Charge Time Info

[Roy2001]

I am curious how can RAM push 227 kWh battery pack inside it and how much is the weight. 8000lb empty weight and 10000lb gross?

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[TheBigBezo]

I feel like it actually looked a lot better than what the Renders showed. The massive batteries are interesting, if prices skyrocket then I'm not sure how they sell them. I can't imagine appetites for 100K+ vehicles are higher right now with rates are where they are. Even Lariat ERs at 87K have been getting abandoned, at least anecdotally when I talked to Sales at my dealership.

I don't think it's going to hurt out vehicle values, no more than a tight buying environment already has. I will say I feel like the interior the Lariat looks much cleaner than the instrumentation on the Tungsten trim from what I saw in TFL's video. Progress is progress, if these aren't insanely expensive that just means we'll be able to buy replacement trucks down the road at a fairer price.

 

[TaxmanHog]

I bleed blue, good luck Dodge.

 

[MichaelCA]

f150 lightning 131 kw 6590 lbs, 2200 lbs for the battery. 16.8 lbs/kw.
hummer ev: 212-kWh, 9,063 lbs. 2,923 lbs for the battery. 13.79 lbs/kw.

f150 lightning no battery = 4390 lbs
Approximating using the f150 no battery weight and the lbs/kw from the hummer ev battery pack:
REV 229kw = 4390 + 229*13.79 = 7547lbs.

This is assuming it'll be lightweight, considering f150 already utilizes aluminized panels and beds, I don't think GM and Dodge does so far and assuming dodge can get battery weight per kw comparable to GM. In addition, it probably will use more cooling than the f150 lightning due to its higher rated towing. The heaviest ram 1500 vs heaviest f150 is approx 750 lbs more.

I think a real world REV would be 8250 lbs+, $100K vehicle.

 

[Maquis]

f150 lightning 131 kw 6590 lbs, 2200 lbs for the battery. 16.8 lbs/kw.
hummer ev: 212-kWh, 9,063 lbs. 2,923 lbs for the battery. 13.79 lbs/kw.

f150 lightning no battery = 4390 lbs
Approximating using the f150 no battery weight and the lbs/kw from the hummer ev battery pack:
REV 229kw = 4390 + 229*13.79 = 7547lbs.

This is assuming it'll be lightweight, considering f150 already utilizes aluminized panels and beds, I don't think GM and Dodge does so far and assuming dodge can get battery weight per kw comparable to GM. In addition, it probably will use more cooling than the f150 lightning due to its higher rated towing. The heaviest ram 1500 vs heaviest f150 is approx 750 lbs more.

I think a real world REV would be 8250 lbs+, $100K vehicle.

Your math is compelling.

 

[Kman]

My 2019 Ram interior is miles ahead of my 2023 Lightning. Ford has a lot of catching up to do in that regard.
Obviously the handling, acceleration, quiet ride, etc. is way better in the Lightning, but I don’t know how much is attributed to it being EV vs. gas, so not sure I can give Ford engineers the credit just yet.
But Ford has actually made and delivered an EV truck that is in customers hands RIGHT NOW.
Ram is at least 3 years away from the first customer delivery, so 5 years away from mass production. So you can’t compare your Lightning to this. Ram is nothing more than a concept vehicle.
In that regard, Ford is miles ahead.

 

[AZT9]

According to the 2023 market, the price per kw/h for automotive BEV lithium is at roughly $150/kwh

229*150= 34,350

168*150= 25,200

This beast is gonna cost a fortune if the battery alone is the starting price for most new Entry level vehicles.

Hats off Ram if you can make an “affordable” truck with those specs!

that or financing will start to stretch to 120 months to the average joe can make the payment.

 

[detansinn]

Yeah, like any other claimed EV stats for future products, we'll see what RAM actually delivers here.

I bought my Lightning with the intent to drive it like a truck and keep it a long time. I am not on that nonsense upgrade train. I'm not going to be trading in an F150 for RAM any more than I would a Silverado.

300+ miles range is more than enough. I don't want the compromises of the LiFP batteries that will be in this next round of EVs. I am pretty convinced that the Lightning will be a classic, especially with Ford itself talking T3 (aka unibody truck) and no Lightning for the next gen F150.

 

[Peddyr]

My 2019 Ram interior is miles ahead of my 2023 Lightning. Ford has a lot of catching up to do in that regard.
Obviously the handling, acceleration, quiet ride, etc. is way better in the Lightning, but I don’t know how much is attributed to it being EV vs. gas, so not sure I can give Ford engineers the credit just yet.
But Ford has actually made and delivered an EV truck that is in customers hands RIGHT NOW.
Ram is at least 3 years away from the first customer delivery, so 5 years away from mass production. So you can’t compare your Lightning to this. Ram is nothing more than a concept vehicle.
In that regard, Ford is miles ahead.

I've test driven Ram trucks before and I've always found the inside to be smaller and less comfortable than the F150. Since you've owned a Ram, I'd be interested to hear your opinion.

 

[Maxx]

what you already know in video format:

 

[Txxthie]

It seems good strategy to not compete directly with Tesla with comparable products. RAM is targeting buyers who want an EV that can tow distances. Ford is for buyers who want America's best selling truck electrified. Tesla and Rivian are on/off road adventure status vehicles. Silverado is a modern interpretation of a full sized truck electrified, a bespoke design for efficiency and packaging.

Some other thoughts regarding the RAM Rev: The charging infrastructure and most peoples homes can't accommodate charging these huge batteries. The tremendous weights of these trucks will create other challenges: heavy duty recovery vehicles needed when towed, added stress on roads/driveways, accidents, insurance battery claims, firefighting of thermo runaway events, etc.

 

[F150ROD]

Is Tesla putting a 100kwh battery x 2 in the CT? This can’t be right that it’s only going to be 1….

https://insideevs.com/news/661155/tesla-cybertruck-100-kwh-battery-pack-per-master-plan/amp/

 

[FordLightningMan]

Is Tesla putting a 100kwh battery x 2 in the CT? This can’t be right that it’s only going to be 1….

https://insideevs.com/news/661155/tesla-cybertruck-100-kwh-battery-pack-per-master-plan/amp/

The only way the CT should get a 100kwh battery is if the single motor version isn't actually scrapped. That version was noted as having 250 miles in range. As the SR Lightnings are just below this and weren't designed as EV's from the ground up due to a lot of ICE F-150 parts, I think 250 miles on 100kwh isn't an absurd idea.

If they aren't getting rid of the single motor CT, it would be a miracle to see 300 miles EPA range from a 100kwh battery.

 

[F150ROD]

The only way the CT should get a 100kwh battery is if the single motor version isn't actually scrapped. That version was noted as having 250 miles in range. As the SR Lightnings are just below this and weren't designed as EV's from the ground up due to a lot of ICE F-150 parts, I think 250 miles on 100kwh isn't an absurd idea.

If they aren't getting rid of the single motor CT, it would be a miracle to see 300 miles EPA range from a 100kwh battery.

I had forgotten about the SR

 

[davehu]

Range - Standard Battery 350 miles. Extended Range: 500 Miles on 229kwh
battery

Standard Range battery is 168kw - larger than Lightning ER!

• 0-60 in 4.0 seconds.
• 14000 Towing
• 2700 Max Payload
• 15 cu ft frunk

glad to see their focus on range, but with that size battery, charging times go up accordingly

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