The Lightning’s Native Nav is Worthless

[jetfixr1]

Just came back from a 1500 mile roundtrip; my god is the nav in the truck worthless. Let me start by saying that I actually once liked the nav when we could plan a route on our phones and push it to the truck. Now that this option isnt available (uhh, why Ford?), here are some gripes:

1. I have done this route before. Down I-75, into Florida’s Turnpike and then SFL. Theres tons of new chargers that have opened. None of which the nav wont recognize. Its stuck in 2023.
   
   
2. I have tried to plan a route with the truck starting from scratch. At one point, it gives you options on automatically or manually adding chargers. Some of the automatically added options were terrible choices. Like a 50KW Chargepoint when 5 miles down the road was a 350KW EA. When you try to manually add chargers, you select your first charger and then all of a sudden, your new route is from where you are at to the charger you selected. It doesnt continue, It does not understand the charger is one of many stops. It refuses to move on to the 2nd, 3rd, 4th charger of choice so I can complete the route I am requesting.
   
   
3. Ok well, let me precondition enroute to a charger by selecting one nearby as I am roughly 30 miles out. Nope, sorry. All the chargers shown as an option are behind me. If I am heading northbound, why show the chargers south of me? It should recognize my direction and exclude those I have already passed. Show me whats infront of me. Instead, it only displays those when I am roughly 15 miles out.
   
   
4. If you are parked and try to plan a route, your first attempt will get you specific stops for charging . If you cancel it and try again, the second routing will not be the same. Nothing has changed. Eventually by the 3rd or 4th try, the nav may display the 1st route it gave you. This is strictly chargers. The charging stops are different every time. Just give me the most efficient route with the fastest chargers and minimal downtime.

I know this probably has been a topic on the past but I really do hope some Ford engineer sees this and puts this project in queue. I understand that were all early adopters. For the amount of money we all spend on these trucks, we shouldnt have to depend on other routing apps. The option we had initially on pushing route’s was great. They took one good thing away and subsequently made it unusable.

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[Peddyr]

Apple Car play and Android Auto with available apps like Waze, Google Maps, Apple Maps....I haven't used the Ford Nav once in over two years.

 

[jetfixr1]

Apple Car play and Android Auto with available apps like Waze, Google Maps, Apple Maps....I haven't used the Ford Nav once in over two years.

None of which, AFAIK, will precondition. Also the same issue of selecting terrible chargers enroute.

 

[Grumpy2]

Yesterday I was in the truck in a Walmart lot waiting on a shopper to finish. 100 feet in front of me were empty EA updated chargers. I asked the truck for the nearest charger in the system, and the result was 15 miles away. I kept messing with the software in the truck, but it refused to include the EA chargers 100 feet away. This EA location has been active for years. SAD

 

[RickLightning]

None of which, AFAIK, will precondition. Also the same issue of selecting terrible chargers enroute.

Incorrect.

https://www.f150lightningforum.com/...-now-available-for-the-f-150-lightning.22234/

Also:

https://www.f150lightningforum.com/...unches-new-electric-road-trip-hub-site.22879/

 

[luebri]

None of which, AFAIK, will precondition. Also the same issue of selecting terrible chargers enroute.

I personally have never witnessed a derated charge due to not preconditioning prior to DCFC. Admittedly, I dont DCFC a lot but have done so in colder conditions ~20F. Obviously colder than that it is likely more important but from my limited experience it is often times not necessary.

Even if having a longer DCFC time, The NAV is so bad, that to avoid being forced to observe its idiocy, I am willing to take the extra time.

 

[jetfixr1]

Incorrect.

https://www.f150lightningforum.com/...-now-available-for-the-f-150-lightning.22234/

Also:

https://www.f150lightningforum.com/...unches-new-electric-road-trip-hub-site.22879/

For android auto yes. I have an iphone, apple maps wont precondition.

 

[Daragh]

Incorrect.

https://www.f150lightningforum.com/...-now-available-for-the-f-150-lightning.22234/

Also:

https://www.f150lightningforum.com/...unches-new-electric-road-trip-hub-site.22879/

Apple Car Play still does not support PreConditioning per the Ford EV Hub just an FYI.

 

[RickLightning]

Apple Car Play still does not support PreConditioning per the Ford EV Hub just an FYI.

He said "none will". That's incorrect.

 

[Zprime29]

I stopped using it when it tried to send me through the middle of a casino to avoid a traffic jam.

 

[jdmackes]

I thought I had read on here once before that the F-150 does not precondition the battery at all, is that not true? I know you can cool the battery when it's heated up due to charging by turning on towing, but I've never seen my battery temp shift at all below the middle of the gauge. Now, granted I'm not a particularly cold area, usually it doesn't drop below 10 degrees or so at the worst, so maybe it's just not necessary for where I am.

 

[jetfixr1]

I thought I had read on here once before that the F-150 does not precondition the battery at all, is that not true? I know you can cool the battery when it's heated up due to charging by turning on towing, but I've never seen my battery temp shift at all below the middle of the gauge. Now, granted I'm not a particularly cold area, usually it doesn't drop below 10 degrees or so at the worst, so maybe it's just not necessary for where I am.

It does precondition. Using towing is a work around. The temp gauge wont really fall below the middle unless the battery pack is cold soaked overnight in low temps. I played with the different modes and selecting towing does force the coolant to lower its temperature.

 

[Daragh]

He said "none will". That's incorrect.

FFS! Really?

 

[TaxmanHog]

I'm wondering when Ford will release an update to NAV?

It's been mentioned in the past that the charger list would be updated, I'm suspecting they're punting this allowing the charge assist app to fill the need, of course that has quirks as well.

 

[Charge_Rob]

1. Ok well, let me precondition enroute to a charger by selecting one nearby as I am roughly 30 miles out. Nope, sorry. All the chargers shown as an option are behind me. If I am heading northbound, why show the chargers south of me? It should recognize my direction and exclude those I have already passed. Show me whats infront of me. Instead, it only displays those when I am roughly 15 miles out.

By default, Connected Navigation filters chargers by physical distance - closer to you in any direction. You can change this by tapping the circle at the top right of the screen and choosing "Along Active Route" (or similar) instead, in which case the view will shift to listing chargers only ahead of you (and list which exit they're at).

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