EV Charging Network Will Target Interstates Before Expanding Into Remote Rural and Crowded Urban Areas

[LightningShow]

Until there are quite a few "around town" DCFC then you are restricting a pretty large portion of the population from buying an EV. Apartments and condos won't realistically have EV charging in any appreciable number in the next 10 years, other than new builds.

For me, personally, I don't give a crap about "around town" chargers and would never use them. I want more "travel" DCFC (EA, et al, still aren't even close to the Supercharger network). Most ppl who own EVs feel the same way, because virtually all EV owners today have L2 charging at home (or work). You really have to be dedicated to EV technology if you don't have access to L2 at home or work. Using public L2 sucks. Very few people would buy an EV with easy access to charging.

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[RickLightning]

Until there are quite a few "around town" DCFC then you are restricting a pretty large portion of the population from buying an EV. Apartments and condos won't realistically have EV charging in any appreciable number in the next 10 years, other than new builds.

For me, personally, I don't give a crap about "around town" chargers and would never use them. I want more "travel" DCFC (EA, et al, still aren't even close to the Supercharger network). Most ppl who own EVs feel the same way, because virtually all EV owners today have L2 charging at home (or work). You really have to be dedicated to EV technology if you don't have access to L2 at home or work. Using public L2 sucks. Very few people would buy an EV with easy access to charging.

That is simply an untrue statement.

 

[LightningShow]

Less than 22% Charge at Home or at Work:

https://www.yahoo.com/video/charging-electric-car-home-isnt-100059318.html

I'd have to look into this but it seems...suspect. Only 22% of EV owners have access to charging? wut.

 

[LightningShow]

That is simply an untrue statement.

I saw the chart, I find it hard to believe. Where are these people charging? Public L2 chargers? I see EVs everywhere here and the public L2 chargers are usually unused. At least the ones in town near me.

 

[RickLightning]

I saw the chart, I find it hard to believe. Where are these people charging? Public L2 chargers? I see EVs everywhere here and the public L2 chargers are usually unused. At least the ones in town near me.

Whether you find it hard to believe or not, making a statement like you made should be backed up by facts, not your opinion.

Many EV owners find that their usage can be filled by charging with 110 at home, then on the weekend heading to the grocery store and connecting to a Level 2 charger, or simply sitting on 110 for the weekend. We took a trip with our Mach-E to Florida, arrived at our son's house with 10% charge. Plugged into 110, and let 3+ days later we were at 100%.

Many people do errands in places where Level 2 charging exists, stores often provide 1 or 2 hours for free.

It all comes down to what your usage of the vehicle is. In 2019, the average commute was 39 miles per the Federal Highway Administration. If one arrived home at 6PM and left for work at 7AM, that's 13 hours of charging. 13 x ~3 miles per hour of 110 charging = 39 miles.

 

[beatle]

That article has a bogus title in their graph. Their graph's title is "Percentage of EV owners who say they don't have charging access at home" whereas the cited source has the title "Respondents were asked whether there is EV charging access where their vehicle(s) are parked at home." It is not clear if the respondents were EV owners. Here is the cited source:

https://go.morningconsult.com/rs/850-TAA-511/images/220321_Automotive-Mobility-Report-Q1.pdf

The source does not specify EV owners; Yahoo just injects "EV" into the title. The source just says "representative sample of 1,941 vehicle owners" in the footer of that graph. I would be incredibly surprised if 78% of all EV owners use public chargers as the only way they charge their car.

My garage didn't have a 240v receptacle before I bought an EV. I didn't need one up to that point, and there would be almost no reason to install one without wanting an EV in the first place. The main point is that I have control over my own parking situation and I had the means to install one.

 

[Maquis]

Less than 22% Charge at Home or at Work:

https://www.yahoo.com/video/charging-electric-car-home-isnt-100059318.html

Please read the correction note at the bottom of the article. Those surveyed included people who do not even own an EV! Of course they won’t have charging at home!

Here is a poll in the MME group. I think this is more typical:
https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/what-percent-of-your-charging-is-done-at-home.7243/

 

[LightningShow]

Oh, surprise, surprise. I'm right again. ?

 

[vandy1981]

Please read the correction note at the bottom of the article. Those surveyed included people who do not even own an EV! Of course they won’t have charging at home!

The title of the article is unfortunate and makes things look more dire than they are in reality.

I think it does highlight the need for more education about charging EVs...a lot of people seem to think their home couldn't support a charger when it actually can.

 

[FordLightningMan]

Whether you find it hard to believe or not, making a statement like you made should be backed up by facts, not your opinion.

Many EV owners find that their usage can be filled by charging with 110 at home, then on the weekend heading to the grocery store and connecting to a Level 2 charger, or simply sitting on 110 for the weekend. We took a trip with our Mach-E to Florida, arrived at our son's house with 10% charge. Plugged into 110, and let 3+ days later we were at 100%.

Many people do errands in places where Level 2 charging exists, stores often provide 1 or 2 hours for free.

It all comes down to what your usage of the vehicle is. In 2019, the average commute was 39 miles per the Federal Highway Administration. If one arrived home at 6PM and left for work at 7AM, that's 13 hours of charging. 13 x ~3 miles per hour of 110 charging = 39 miles.

As much as I want to disagree with this statement, I lived with Level 1 charging only for two months and had no issues. When I got my Tesla in the middle of the pandemic, finding an electrician to run a new line out to my garage was a pain. It took me two months to get someone to do the work, I was on Level 1 the whole time. I never needed to us the Supercharger down the street, though I acknowledge my pandemic driving was less than it is normally.

This was enough to show me that I don't need two separate lines running to my garage, load sharing two Level 2 chargers will be sufficient when I get my Lightning. 50% of Level 2 is still about 7x faster than Level 1, which honestly wasn't all that bad.

Side note, my buddy in the UK bought a Model S in 2017 and didn't have a place to charge at home. He never had an issue 100% using public charging.

 

[VTbuckeye]

Look at the income percentages. Less than 50k 83 percent, 50k to 99k, 77 percent, 100k plus 66 percent. So there are 226 percent of ???? Hard to believe anything when they screw up something that big. If it isn't actually screwed up, then they are misrepresenting something (deliberately??) or so bad at graphical representation that they can not be trusted.

Before having a plug in car I did not have an EVSE where I park. First car was a volt. Plugged into 120 for a couple months, then added a 240v circuit and clipper creek evse that would charge at up to 20 amps. Added another plug in three years later and another 240 circuit. In a single family home making your parking EV compatible is only a matter of desire and dollars and having a 120v to start with is OK.

 

[sotek2345]

As much as I want to disagree with this statement, I lived with Level 1 charging only for two months and had no issues. When I got my Tesla in the middle of the pandemic, finding an electrician to run a new line out to my garage was a pain. It took me two months to get someone to do the work, I was on Level 1 the whole time. I never needed to us the Supercharger down the street, though I acknowledge my pandemic driving was less than it is normally.

This was enough to show me that I don't need two separate lines running to my garage, load sharing two Level 2 chargers will be sufficient when I get my Lightning. 50% of Level 2 is still about 7x faster than Level 1, which honestly wasn't all that bad.

Side note, my buddy in the UK bought a Model S in 2017 and didn't have a place to charge at home. He never had an issue 100% using public charging.

This really depends on your use case. We had a level 2 installed before we got our Mach-e, but it faulted out after ~6 weeks (Grizzl-e, great customer service - replaced at no cost). Waiting for the replacement we had to go ~2 weeks on level 1 and it was very very stressful. My wife has a ~50 mile round trip commute and L1 could not recover that over night in an upstate NY winter. We had to minimize use of the EV and spend a few evenings with it parked at a local mall on L2 charging for as many hours as we could (no nearby DC fast charging). After that experience, I would never have an EV without L2 available at home.

 

[shutterbug]

This really depends on your use case. We had a level 2 installed before we got our Mach-e, but it faulted out after ~6 weeks (Grizzl-e, great customer service - replaced at no cost). Waiting for the replacement we had to go ~2 weeks on level 1 and it was very very stressful. My wife has a ~50 mile round trip commute and L1 could not recover that over night in an upstate NY winter. We had to minimize use of the EV and spend a few evenings with it parked at a local mall on L2 charging for as many hours as we could (no nearby DC fast charging). After that experience, I would never have an EV without L2 available at home.

Wait! doesn't your MME come with L2 capable plug? Or did you get Grizzl-E with something other than 14-50?

 

[wingfiry]

- $615 million to be granted in first year
- biggest allocations to Texas, California, and Florida

So the biggest allocation for new additional chargers is going to... places that *already* have some of the highest concentration of chargers. Hmm...

If the purpose of this whole thing is to encourage nationwide adoption of EVs, and the if one of biggest hurdles is range anxiety.. wouldn't it make more sense to fill in the areas that have very few chargers first?

 

[sotek2345]

Wait! doesn't your MME come with L2 capable plug? Or did you get Grizzl-E with something other than 14-50?

It is an outdoor mount setup (no garage), so we went with hard wired and no 14-50 plug. Plan is to replace it with the 80A EVSE when I get my Lightning so we ran wiring for 100A.

Thankfully we had a 120V outlet on a covered porch within reach of the driveway, so we could at least use the mobile charger on L1.

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