Battery Bonus??

[Electric Messiah]

Recently acquired a used Lariat with the long range battery and all the other bells and whistles, with a little less then 10K on it-- and what a fun new world of propulsion and utility it has brought! SunRun has been slow to respond to installing the Ford fast charger-- (question will the far more economical option of installing the NEMA 1450 plug suffice??). Anyway, the slow boat 120 V charger finally got my battery to capacity overnight, and to my surprise the screen shows me this morning 348 miles of estimated distance to empty! (About 20 miles extra to the advertised 320 capacity). Anyone else gotten this "bonus" read-out?) And one final question-- I'm a little confused as to under what circumstances if any, should one charge the battery to full capacity-- is it just for the DC fast chargers where one should avoid this?? Thanks for any and all responses to these queries.

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[jdmackes]

Ford recommends charging to 90% for daily driving and only to 100% if you need the range. Personally, I set mine to charge to 80% daily, but I might lower that further as I don't think I've ever gone below 60% charge. What everyone seems to say is that charging to full isn't great for the battery, but leaving it at full is what's really bad.

Installing a NEMA 14-50 would be fine I would think, unless you really need the faster charging of the Ford charger. You'll be able to charge at around 9 KW an hour with that setup (assuming your charger will do 40 amps) so you'd be full within 14 hours or so from completely empty. I have a 32 amp charger that I use and I'm usually charged back up within an hour from my daily driving (and I used a 16 amp one for about a month and it was perfectly fine for me). All just depends on how much you drive and how quick you want to charge.

 

[Maquis]

Ignore the GOM.

* I need to trademark this phrase!

 

[The Weatherman]

GOM is never totally accurate. What does the truck show for miles / kilometers per KWH? It can be found on the instrument panel under your Trip Info.

 

[greenne]

Recently acquired a used Lariat with the long range battery and all the other bells and whistles, with a little less then 10K on it-- and what a fun new world of propulsion and utility it has brought! SunRun has been slow to respond to installing the Ford fast charger-- (question will the far more economical option of installing the NEMA 1450 plug suffice??). Anyway, the slow boat 120 V charger finally got my battery to capacity overnight, and to my surprise the screen shows me this morning 348 miles of estimated distance to empty! (About 20 miles extra to the advertised 320 capacity). Anyone else gotten this "bonus" read-out?) And one final question-- I'm a little confused as to under what circumstances if any, should one charge the battery to full capacity-- is it just for the DC fast chargers where one should avoid this?? Thanks for any and all responses to these queries.

If you're paying for something to be installed, I'd recommend you just hardwire a 40A or 48A EVSE. The 14-50 plugs on the market vary in quality and the ability to handle that much continuous power for extended periods of time. My opinion, a hard wired EVSE with a secondary breaker is the safer route to go. As a bonus there are plenty of good options at 48A if you don't need to charge quickly.
(When I priced it out there was a huge jump in price for a 100A Breaker/80A Ford fast charger vs my Chargepoint Flex 48A).

 

[Heliian]

The 14-50 plugs on the market vary in quality and the ability to handle that much continuous power for extended periods

It would be a 50a circuit with a max 40a evse and they're just fine, especially for portability of your evse.

 

[TaxmanHog]

Have you already received the FCSP and just waiting on installation by SunRun?

I'm not certain, but the included FCSP/EVSE may have been delivered to the original owner is a one and done part of the vehicles original purchase.

I'm not aware that second hand buyers are entitled to another FCSP unless the dealer promised one or sold another unit and you paid for it in your used purchase price.

 

[greenne]

It would be a 50a circuit with a max 40a evse and they're just fine, especially for portability of your evse.

The problem isn't the circuit, it's the 14-50 plug itself. Probably not the best to use a 14-50 if you plan on charging often. In my case, the hardwire was a few bucks cheaper than outlet. Yes, you may lose portability and possibly a few bucks. Worth it for peace of mind, IMHO.

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[Electric Messiah]

Thanks for the responses. Just took a short 7 mile trip on winding country roads. Result was 3.1 miles/kilometers per HWH

 

[Electric Messiah]

If you're paying for something to be installed, I'd recommend you just hardwire a 40A or 48A EVSE. The 14-50 plugs on the market vary in quality and the ability to handle that much continuous power for extended periods of time. My opinion, a hard wired EVSE with a secondary breaker is the safer route to go. As a bonus there are plenty of good options at 48A if you don't need to charge quickly.
(When I priced it out there was a huge jump in price for a 100A Breaker/80A Ford fast charger vs my Chargepoint Flex 48A).

Thanks for the response. The Ford fast charger came with the vehicle and is just sitting in the garage bay as of now-- but is pricey to get installed, so am considering options.

 

[greenne]

Thanks for the response. The Ford fast charger came with the vehicle and is just sitting in the garage bay as of now-- but is pricey to get installed, so am considering options.

The cost of the wire needed for the 80A was dealbreaker for me(Breaker box located on opposite side of house from garage). I 'm not using the backup power and don't need to charge at an 80A rate. Much more cost effective to run 60A line to charge at 48A. There are several highly rated 48A chargers available. Sold my Ford FCSP for $1000 online.

At 48A it takes about 10-11hr to go 10-->90%.

 

[Electric Messiah]

Have you already received the FCSP and just waiting on installation by SunRun?

I'm not certain, but the included FCSP/EVSE may have been delivered to the original owner is a one and done part of the vehicles original purchase.

I'm not aware that second hand buyers are entitled to another FCSP unless the dealer promised one or sold another unit and you paid for it in your used purchase price.

Yes, I have the original Ford fast charger that came with the truck-- that the original owner uninstalled from his garage. SunRun has done the preliminary stuff-- just waiting for them to install-- and has given me time to consider cheaper options...

 

[Amps]

The Ford fast charger came with the vehicle and is just sitting in the garage bay as of now-- but is pricey to get installed

It won't be so pricey to install if you hard-wire it and limit the Ford Charge Station Pro EVSE to 40 or 48 Amps. Everything about the install will be cheaper, no GFCI breaker, no $80 receptacle, no need for a neutral, no need to buy a different EVSE. You don't need Sunrun. A good local electrician should be able to fix you up.

 

[greenne]

Yes, I have the original Ford fast charger that came with the truck-- that the original owner uninstalled from his garage. SunRun has done the preliminary stuff-- just waiting for them to install-- and has given me time to consider cheaper options...

Check out Tom Moloughney (@tommolog ) charger reviews on his YouTube channel "State of Charge". Good info...

 

[RickLightning]

You can have the Ford Charge Station Pro installed, hardwired, for lower amperage (such as 48amps) and therefore save wire expense. But it would have to be set in the unit AND tagged as such). I would also recommend a 60amp circuit for 48amp charging.

Your 3 miles per kilowatt hour is due to local slow driving. You should expect closer to 2 in normal highway driving.

I strongly recommend you read the owner's manual. It's in FordPass, it's in the vehicle, and it can be downloaded in PDF format to all your devices.

You want to save the location (home) for charging, and set a limit (90%). If you have off-peak hours for charging, you can set them, but the 120v charging will ignore them as it takes so many days to charge.

Note that any charger you buy, and any installation work, is eligible for a 30% non-refundable tax credit. Your utility company MAY provide discounted chargers, or a rebate. Mine gave me $500. I bought a charger for just over $600, and after the 30% tax credit was not even $100...

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