Ford to Offer Complimentary Tesla Supercharger Adapter to Eligible Lightning Owners (1/31/24 Update)

[FrunkMonk-e]

So if someone owns both MME and Lightning, will get 2 adapters. Expect to see a whole bunch on eBay.

That would be me! And I think it darn straight of Ford to do that. It will be nice to leave one in each vehicle. I don't imagine selling one though. I think they'll be necessary to include when I sell the vehicles because CCS will be on it's way out by then.

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[queuewho]

I would hope that in another year or two, every dealer of every brand will have generic versions these on hand in their parts department. It might not matter at all if you don't trade it in with the truck.

 

[RickLightning]

I would hope that in another year or two, every dealer of every brand will have generic versions these on hand in their parts department. It might not matter at all if you don't trade it in with the truck.

They certainly won't be free in the Parts Department...

 

[Maquis]

I feel confident that somewhere along the way there will be an OTA that we all will have to wait for in order for this to work. And who knows how much Ol Elon will want for each Kw of energy delivered. You know he still has that X monkey on his back.

I don’t think an OTA will be required. It should no different than using a Magic Dock today.

 

[RickKeen]

Seems like it would be feasible to build an adapter that can work with V2 chargers. This seems like a cop-out by Tesla so as to maintain their monopoly advantage of their charging network to help sell cars.
Whatever the means the chargers and Tesla cars use talk to each other, (wireless, CCS protocol, proprietary) it seems like it could be possible to build an adapter that makes itself look like a Tesla vehicle to the charger, makes itself look like a CCS charger to the vehicle, and makes the right handshake requests so that the charger provides the right DC voltage/current.

 

[ddimit]

Seems like it would be feasible to build an adapter that can work with V2 chargers. This seems like a cop-out by Tesla so as to maintain their monopoly advantage of their charging network to help sell cars.
Whatever the means the chargers and Tesla cars use talk to each other, (wireless, CCS protocol, proprietary) it seems like it could be possible to build an adapter that makes itself look like a Tesla vehicle to the charger, makes itself look like a CCS charger to the vehicle, and makes the right handshake requests so that the charger provides the right DC voltage/current.

V2 hardware lacks the open standard for communication. it uses Tesla's propriety standard, it would be easier to just upgrade the site. V2 also does load sharing between 2 charging posts, so it's not uncommon to split the max 120KW between 2 numbered posts, i.e., posts 4A and 4B would power share. As an 8-year Tesla owner as well, I try to avoid V2 stations on road trips as if they are full, It would double the charge time.

V2 to V3 upgrades require New station posts (liquid-cooled cables ) and backend AC/DC conversion.

 

[queuewho]

They certainly won't be free in the Parts Department...

But it won't knock that much off your trade... they might even ignore it.

 

[RickLightning]

But it won't knock that much off your trade... they might even ignore it.

Oh, they will.

When we sold our 2018 Fusion Energi, Carvana never checked.

When we sold our 2021 Mach-E, the dealer who drove 5 hours to buy it never checked.

 

[RickLightning]

Unfortunately a Tesla app does not save start/stop time of charging session, but based on screenshots timestamp I can say 41% to 60% took 13 minutes, Extended Range F150.

But Tesla Magic Dock limited by 350 amps, so, no charging boost up to 180kW as on Electrify America or similar.

Charging is around 125kW. Easy math to do.

.19 x 131 = 24.9kW / 125 = .2 hours = 12 minutes

 

[GDN]

Seems like it would be feasible to build an adapter that can work with V2 chargers. This seems like a cop-out by Tesla so as to maintain their monopoly advantage of their charging network to help sell cars.
Whatever the means the chargers and Tesla cars use talk to each other, (wireless, CCS protocol, proprietary) it seems like it could be possible to build an adapter that makes itself look like a Tesla vehicle to the charger, makes itself look like a CCS charger to the vehicle, and makes the right handshake requests so that the charger provides the right DC voltage/current.

I just have to wonder where the BS keeps coming from. Go ahead and jump on that engineering to connect to a SC that doesn’t talk the protocol that the truck talks.

Let’s think about the other side of the equation, just maybe Tesla does want to hold some Superchargers (the older slower ones) from being clogged by Other brands that have poor charging speeds and curves. Just maybe they want to continue to deliver a better value to the person that purchased a Tesla and supported them as a company with their purchase.

Why continue to get butt hurt over that? Be thankful Tesla is opening the network. Yes they may be getting some government money to do so, but tell me who is delivering the value on that? It was reported in a post that Tesla has opened 50 new chargers in the last 40 days. You will have access to everyone of those when the adapter arrives.

 

[lightspeed]

I don’t think an OTA will be required. It should no different than using a Magic Dock today.

It will probably need an OTA. Magic-dock uses the Tesla app for billing.

With the Ford adapter, billing should be automatic and Plug N Charge supported like at EA stations.

 

[Zprime29]

It will probably need an OTA. Magic-dock uses the Tesla app for billing.

With the Ford adapter, billing should be automatic and Plug N Charge supported like at EA stations.

We won't need an OTA for that, the truck already knows how to communicate for plug n charge. The only requirement is on the backend for Tesla's cloud to talk to Ford's cloud for billing.

 

[cwstnsko]

It will probably need an OTA. Magic-dock uses the Tesla app for billing.

With the Ford adapter, billing should be automatic and Plug N Charge supported like at EA stations.

From the descriptions I have seen, initially, activation will be through FordPass or Charge Assistant. Neither of those require an OTA update to make Tesla superchargers accessible. (Charge Assistant is actually cloud based, it was rolled out without an OTA update)
Plug & Charge is all on Telsa to implement. Ford Supports it, but I’m not sure Tesla is ready to play ball with the 3rd parties and certificates to pull it off. It’s also possible that Tesla could do it similar to EVGo’s Autoshare+, which requires a unique identifier for each vehicle in the signaling, but doesn’t require 3rd party authentication and certificates like ISO Plug & Charge does.

 

[cwstnsko]

V2 hardware lacks the open standard for communication. it uses Tesla's propriety standard, it would be easier to just upgrade the site. V2 also does load sharing between 2 charging posts, so it's not uncommon to split the max 120KW between 2 numbered posts, i.e., posts 4A and 4B would power share. As an 8-year Tesla owner as well, I try to avoid V2 stations on road trips as if they are full, It would double the charge time.

V2 to V3 upgrades require New station posts (liquid-cooled cables ) and backend AC/DC conversion.

It’s not just a protocol issue with V2 superchargers in North America. The V2 stations don’t have the PLC modem hardware to even facilitate any NACS communication.
I have read the the V2 dispensers in Europe do have PLC modems, so an upgrade that is something short of full V3/V4 chargers may be possible, but it doesn’t seem to be being considered. Even if it was only in remote areas, where V3/V4 upgrades are likely a long way off, it would make a huge difference in where we could comfortably travel.

 

[Maquis]

It will probably need an OTA. Magic-dock uses the Tesla app for billing.

With the Ford adapter, billing should be automatic and Plug N Charge supported like at EA stations.

The truck sends the VIN. The back end handles the rest.

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