$0.02 per mile!

[XENOILPHOBE]

EV Owner since 2013 (5 Teslas; 3 S's, 1 X, 1 Y + Zero FX Motorcycle) Cancelled my CT Cyber Beast and picked up a 2024 Platinum ($20K price reduction + zero % APR, sealed the deal for me, I didn't get the $7500 fed rebate, due to personal financial situation)

2500 miles in less than a month.
2.3 miles per kWH
Lead foot (that is getting less aggressive with age)
.05 per kWH on NOVEC here in Virginia on EV1 rate plan (11PM to 6AM)

16 kWH Solar array (banked $800 in Grid connected net metering this summer)
Charging 3 cars (Lightning, Model X and Model Y), electric bill is never over $100 per month for a 5500 SF home (6 Frigs/freezer, 2 variable speed high efficiency heat pumps, 50K gallon pool with two pumps, 2 hot tubs, whole house is high efficiency with closed cell spray foam, triple pane windows and supplemental heating using a wood stove with catalytic smoke burner, all lightning LED with Zigbee/zwave controls)

I Fing love this truck, my wife admitted she likes it better than her 2024 Model X PLAID.....she is on her 2nd Tesla, had a Model S before. She especially likes the heated/cooled massaging seats. I like the power moonroof, turn signal stalks, and buttons, verses everything on screen. I also love the Air Play system and WAZE on screen!!!!

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[Scorpio3d]

As an EV owner and independent BEV consultant that drives an average of 1k miles/month, I think @Ford Motor Company has simply identified a moment in time on the change curve for US consumers, Resistance. People further ahead on the change curve that have started to explore the possibilities and opportunities of EV ownership are experiencing much greater success than ever imagined.

Why? Because an alarming amount of the information “pushed” out for public consideration is fear-based and mostly false.

Although I took delivery of my first-ever BEV in October of 2023, I anxiously placed the order in May of 2021. Now, with three years of research, fact finding, testing, measuring, reporting and ownership experience, I have landed on the most valuable and effective approach to combat misinformation and unintentional ignorance when I’m asked about my 2023 Ford F150 Lightning.

My answer to EVERY question asked of me by clients or the general public?

“Everything you have ever heard or read about this truck is false. Ask me why.”

My BEV ownership experience with this truck far exceeds my initial expectations and continues to improve as performance updates are added to the vehicle. I use the at-home charging system as my primary source for power, and use my truck as my “daily driver” so I have only needed to use public charging twice. My electricity bill has gone down due to Time Of Use pricing from my electric provider (0.056 per kWh from 11 pm to 6 am) and my gasoline bill is $0.00 each month.

Current Stats:
10,000 miles
2.5 miles per kWh
4000 kWh used
$0.056 per KWh
$224 total cost
$0.0224 per mile

In an effort to keep this post shorter, I’ll let you decide if just over two cents a mile is worth the effort to learn more about BEV ownership.

Ask me why!

IF we could all enjoy the factors that contributed to your cost of operation !!!

I'm loving my '22 Lightning Lariat ER, but simple facts are 33.3 c/kwh and time of use pricing for energy is not offered by my utility, this fact makes the experiences of every forum member unique and in some cases not so advantageous.

6109 miles = 17.9 c/mile

Completely agree that almost everyone’s situation is a little different! I.e. cost of ownership, cost of charging, etc.
it is nice not having to do all the small and not so small maintenance items, I had to change the oil in my daughter‘s Ford fusion hybrid last weekend.-love, not having to do that with the Lightning!
I think it is ridiculous if states are charging you way more to drive an EV! Texas charges $200 extra for registration due to the loss of the gas taxes to help pay for road maintenance. I don’t love it, but that seems reasonable as we need roads repaired!

 

[lipnorth]

My entire savings in fuel is negated by the AZ vehicle license tax (based off MSRP). Going from a $22k vehicle to an $80k vehicle was a 5x increase in my annual fee. That said, I'd do it again.

Any 80k vehicle would incur that same tax, no?

 

[Solar_EE]

As an EV owner and independent BEV consultant that drives an average of 1k miles/month, I think @Ford Motor Company has simply identified a moment in time on the change curve for US consumers, Resistance. People further ahead on the change curve that have started to explore the possibilities and opportunities of EV ownership are experiencing much greater success than ever imagined.

Why? Because an alarming amount of the information “pushed” out for public consideration is fear-based and mostly false.

Although I took delivery of my first-ever BEV in October of 2023, I anxiously placed the order in May of 2021. Now, with three years of research, fact finding, testing, measuring, reporting and ownership experience, I have landed on the most valuable and effective approach to combat misinformation and unintentional ignorance when I’m asked about my 2023 Ford F150 Lightning.

My answer to EVERY question asked of me by clients or the general public?

“Everything you have ever heard or read about this truck is false. Ask me why.”

My BEV ownership experience with this truck far exceeds my initial expectations and continues to improve as performance updates are added to the vehicle. I use the at-home charging system as my primary source for power, and use my truck as my “daily driver” so I have only needed to use public charging twice. My electricity bill has gone down due to Time Of Use pricing from my electric provider (0.056 per kWh from 11 pm to 6 am) and my gasoline bill is $0.00 each month.

Current Stats:
10,000 miles
2.5 miles per kWh
4000 kWh used
$0.056 per KWh
$224 total cost
$0.0224 per mile

In an effort to keep this post shorter, I’ll let you decide if just over two cents a mile is worth the effort to learn more about BEV ownership.

Ask me why!

My cost per mile is also about $.02. Easy to calculate as I generate all my electricity with solar panels on my roof. At the end of the year I get a check from the local electric company- they only pay me $.05 per kWh so that is essentially my marginal cost. If I used less electricity I would get a bigger check but $.05 per kWh is the wholesale cost of electricity in this area.

 

[Zprime29]

Any 80k vehicle would incur that same tax, no?

https://arizona-vlt-calculator.pages.dev/
The price decreases each year

EDIT: Looks like I under estimated the increase. I'd forgotten how cheap it is to register a vehicle after owning it for a long time. I went from ~$150 to ~$1300, looks like I'll be under $1k next year.

 

[roddiaz1]

We are talking Energy Cost per mile, right?
Vehicle cost per mile would include price paid for vehicle divided by estimated life, insurance, and tire wear.
Has anybody done that estimate?
I’m curious how close we would get to the IRS deductibility limit.
I suspect, I might be “making money” every time I submit an expense reimbursement, but the high purchase price of the truck might kibosh that.

 

[GoodSam]

edit addition - the year round lifetime average of 2.1 is what the truck uses as reported by the trip odometer. That number matches up with Ford Pass charge history. But that is only 90% of what passes through my FCSP as reported by the charger and spot checked with a clamp amp meter.

Yes, hate to see the lost kW between power input (71kWh) from a wall "charger" EVSE to actual HV battery kWhr stored (62% of SR 98kWhr = 60.7kWhr) or 85.6% conversion efficiency I think. Does conversion efficiency change with depth of charging or rate of charging?

 

[TaxmanHog]

Yes, hate to see the lost kW between power input (71kWh) from a wall "charger" EVSE to actual HV battery kWhr stored (62% of SR 98kWhr = 60.7kWhr) or 85.6% conversion efficiency I think. Does conversion efficiency change with depth of charging or rate of charging?

Based on my experiences, I would interpret this screen to indicate that you actually used 78 kwh of energy from the grid [71/.91=78] kWh

The net energy of 71 kwh added to the HVB ~might~ take you the projected +150 miles if your truck is averaging an mpk of 2.11 [150/71=2.11] MPK

The 150 miles divided by .62 indicates that your SR pack would go ~241 miles [150/.62=241] miles

Overall MPK [241/98=2.46]

 

[Cara]

Yes . . I wish my electrical provider (PG&E) had $0.056 per KWh , mine is more like 10x that...

Exactly - PG&E in NorCal/SF Bay Area is 50c+ per KWh. And that’s in the off hours. It’s about the same cost at home as it is on the road. My solar panels help a bit, but not enough.

 

[GoodSam]

Overall MPK [241/98=2.46]

I am very lucky if I get 2.0 on the freeway which is most of my miles. October 24-25th, 66.9kWh was reported used via my Tesla wall connector app (in 8h37m), whereas Ford is reporting 71kWh, (and Ting Voltage drop monitor shows btw 9p-4+am = 7+hrs) strange. Forgot Emporia, shows about 67.75kWhr put out.

But it is pretty cool that I was able to end charging at 1:37pm on the 25th, before it started charging at 9pm on the 25th!

 

[TaxmanHog]

I am very lucky if I get 2.0 on the freeway which is most of my miles. October 24-25th, 66.9kWh was reported used via my Tesla wall connector app (in 8h37m), whereas Ford is reporting 71kWh, (and Ting Voltage drop monitor shows btw 9p-4+am = 7+hrs) strange.

But it is pretty cool that I was able to end charging at 1:37pm on the 25th, before it started charging at 9pm on the 25th!

Ford pass date handling and other factors are horrendous, but the energy value has been pretty consistent, is it possible the Tesla Wall connector & App are factoring for net energy using a different value?

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

We are talking Energy Cost per mile, right?
Vehicle cost per mile would include price paid for vehicle divided by estimated life, insurance, and tire wear.
Has anybody done that estimate?
I’m curious how close we would get to the IRS deductibility limit.
I suspect, I might be “making money” every time I submit an expense reimbursement, but the high purchase price of the truck might kibosh that.

I've done several models--I can't make a decision without overanalyzing everything.

The best approach seems to be a Monte Carlo simulation since we can't know for certain the costs of energy, gas, or maintenance, etc in the future, and regional differences may matter.

Here are the plots from one such set of runs. In about 70% of the 10,000 simulations I ran, the Lightning TCO was lower than the ICE F-150 for the same number of miles driven and years owned. And, since the assumption was that miles driven and years owned were the same, this is true for the $/mile cost as well. Generally the TCO or $/mile cost is better for the Lightning after 4 to 7 years of ownership. If one sells their Lightning before then, and they don't have a good resale value, then it could cost them more to have owned the Lightning than the ICE. However, if they're only charging at home, this would be a significantly different result.

Assumptions:
7,000 to 28,000 miles per year (14,000 average).
Between 2 and 20 years ownership (8 year average).

I started with MSRP. Then added $1k for an EVSE install and subtracted $7500 tax credit for the Lightning. I also included 10% tax on both vehicles. Financing would change the calculus a bit, but not the final result, and that's as much about the buyer as it is about the vehicle.
The following variables were assumed to have a normal distribution within the bounds listed here, except the purchase price.

Vehicle	Purchase Price	Fuel Cost	Depreciation / year	Maint. / year	Efficiency	First Year Depreciation	Insurance & Registration costs / year
F-150 ICE	$69,300	$2.20-$6.00 / gal	5.25% - 10.5%	$1170 - $2600	11 - 24 mpg	9% - 27%	$1980 - $4500
F-150 Lightning	$77,550	$0.03 - $.70 / kWh	9% - 18%	$300 - $900	1 - 3 mpkWh	15% - 30%	$2640 - $6000

 

[MaintGrl]

I am very lucky if I get 2.0 on the freeway which is most of my miles. October 24-25th, 66.9kWh was reported used via my Tesla wall connector app (in 8h37m), whereas Ford is reporting 71kWh, (and Ting Voltage drop monitor shows btw 9p-4+am = 7+hrs) strange. Forgot Emporia, shows about 67.75kWhr put out.

But it is pretty cool that I was able to end charging at 1:37pm on the 25th, before it started charging at 9pm on the 25th!

So the ford pass app, is so buggy, 2 days ago I charged @ Home. It said I charged 19 kWh and had traveled 53 Miles, that is 2.79 M/kWh, yesterday it said I charged 64.7 kWh and went 59 Miles . . which is 0.91M/kWh . . .not the first time this has happened...(and YES, all the travels were similar, and the m/Kw were in the vicinity of 2.0 to 2.2 at the time of use....) Very buggy
And . . .I charge to 90%, for a while i was getting 211 to 221 miles on the GOM, lately I'm only getting 193 to 197 miles @ 90% charge....go figure. & weather has been similar at these charge times . .

 

[roddiaz1]

Wow!! Tremendous.
Interestingly, I was looking for a cost per mile, but I can see from your work that really depends on lot more variables than I had considered.
I do think your insurance/registration estimate is a bit high compare to what I pay ($200 reg and $1,200 insurance per year).

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Wow!! Tremendous.
Interestingly, I was looking for a cost per mile, but I can see from your work that really depends on lot more variables than I had considered.
I do think your insurance/registration estimate is a bit high compare to what I pay ($200 reg and $1,200 insurance per year).

Yeah, insurance is all over the place and I'm not sure it's valuable to include it since it is, like interest rates are, highly dependent on the owner/driver. If insurance costs are similar to yours and the same regardless of the energy source, the cost/mile is even better for the Lightning compared with the ICE.

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