Cybertruck Prices and Trim

[F150ROD]

Does it bother anyone not to be able to reach over the side to grab something from the bed? Those tall sloping sides on the bed just seem to be a hassle. Must be other ways to trick airflow around beds and camper shells to maximize aerodynamics.

Ive seen it in person at full height, it's really short height wise compared to the Lightning. I am assuming if you lower it all the way down you should be able to reach over, I dont know.

Several reviewers have stated that it rides like a car. The last pickup I drove that rode like a car was the Ridgeline and I did not really like the feel of it. The El Camino comparison is correct. This is in its own category, not a mid size or full pick up.

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[Artificial Intelligence]

Farley needs to push his software crew to put out a better app with better features and fix these software updates. Other than that we wait for the 2nd gen.

He needs to outsource his software to google or apple. They will be happy to help.

 

[queuewho]

The lightning doesn’t have room for a larger rear motor because it has a full size spare. Cybertruck missed this point and offers an in bed spare option which most won’t take because its tires are too heavy for most of its prospective customers to lift, not to mention you’d have to crawl into the bed to get to it, which is why the f150 tailgate step was a must have for me, even being 6’1”. The fact is cybertruck is a car with a bed, not a truck. There’s a reason trucks haven’t changed shape in 70+ years but cars have.

A spare in the bed sucks, I've done it, you gotta lock it if you don't have a tonneau, even if you're strong, getting it out of there is annoying, it takes up space, every bump it jumps in the air. I'm sure that kit makes it solid and secure but still.

 

[Monkey]

He needs to outsource his software to google or apple. They will be happy to help.

That’s what GM did. Handed off software development to Google, who in turn contracted one of their media development partners to do the UI on top of an Android base layer. And while I’m not wild about the new GM UI, performance is pretty good and it all just works. And the vehicle is now just another Android tablet device and I can pretty much load up any Android app from the play Store.

I think the upcoming shift for Ford to Android isn’t going to work this way. Currently most Ford recent Ford vehicles, Lightning and Mach-e included, are using the Android Open Source Project as the base system manager, but of course it still runs QNX for SYNC. I’m betting Ford will continue with the Android Open Source Project implementation, removing the QNX layer entirely and using the next progression of their SYNC UI on top. It probably won’t have general access to the Play Store or all the features a full and official Android implementation would have. We shall see, but I’m not getting my hopes up too high, nor thinking it will be much of an improvement over the current system. The longer Ford takes to make this shift, the more it tells me this is the path they have chosen.

 

[biers]

I do wonder how high you can set the CT to drive at highway speeds? I almost bought a Model S because air suspension, but it can only lift to a height I need for winter snow clearance when driving at very low speeds (15mph?). Can I drive down the highway at 75mph in a CT with my suspension lifted? Or is it only at low speeds like a S? I understand it's not optimal to ride so high, but I want the option when conditions call for it.

You want to be able to drive 75mph at highest suspension setting in the snow?! I’m not in a very snowy state, but that sounds sketchy to me.

 

[Artificial Intelligence]

That’s what GM did. Handed off software development to Google, who in turn contracted one of their media development partners to do the UI on top of an Android base layer. And while I’m not wild about the new GM UI, performance is pretty good and it all just works. And the vehicle is now just another Android tablet device and I can pretty much load up any Android app from the play Store.

I think the upcoming shift for Ford to Android isn’t going to work this way. Currently most Ford recent Ford vehicles, Lightning and Mach-e included, are using the Android Open Source Project as the base system manager, but of course it still runs QNX for SYNC. I’m betting Ford will continue with the Android Open Source Project implementation, removing the QNX layer entirely and using the next progression of their SYNC UI on top. It probably won’t have general access to the Play Store or all the features a full and official Android implementation would have. We shall see, but I’m not getting my hopes up too high, nor thinking it will be much of an improvement over the current system. The longer Ford takes to make this shift, the more it tells me this is the path they have chosen.

Stellantis/Jeep is now using android based system in new grand Cherokee. Customization puts sync4 to shame, it’s intuitive and works like a charm.

 

[Effonefiddy Lightning]

Its funny how people said the CT isn't a real truck because it doesn't have this and that and it cant do this or that. Then the details and numbers come out about the CT, all of a sudden the tone changes to, well it should've had or could've had or it would've been better with this or that.
Come on people, life would be boring if everything was the same as what you all like.
Not everyone needs a bed that can carry Mt. Everest and not everyone needs a truck that looks like yours.
When I read peoples comments it feels like some weird sense that you all are disappointed that tesla didn't do better. Would you really have bought a tesla if they did? Really?

 

[FordLightningMan]

You want to be able to drive 75mph at highest suspension setting in the snow?! I’m not in a very snowy state, but that sounds sketchy to me.

I would like to be able to drive at 8 inches high and do 35mph. The Model S doesn't allow you to drive 20mph at 5 inches high.

 

[Henry Ford]

Tesla's CEO has a habit of securities fraud...er, over promising. If it hadn't been hyped people wouldn't be so disappointed. It's basically a funkier looking Rivian.

I like the size of the Lightning so the Cybertruck isn't for me but it's cool. I like steering-by-wire - anyone who's flown an Airbus and a Boeing will tell you Airbus's fly-by-wire is superior - I think future drivers will decide steering-by-wire is preferable. I'm envious of four wheel steering, it's a great idea. I even like the looks. It's weird but weird is cool.

 

[F150ROD]

Its funny how people said the CT isn't a real truck because it doesn't have this and that and it cant do this or that. Then the details and numbers come out about the CT, all of a sudden the tone changes to, well it should've had or could've had or it would've been better with this or that.
Come on people, life would be boring if everything was the same as what you all like.
Not everyone needs a bed that can carry Mt. Everest and not everyone needs a truck that looks like yours.
When I read peoples comments it feels like some weird sense that you all are disappointed that tesla didn't do better. Would you really have bought a tesla if they did? Really?

Yes.

After 4 years of hearing fan boys claim this thing would “change” and “takeover” the Truck Market it’s hilarious to see these same fanboys move the goal post.

 

[Randall Stephens]

flown an Airbus and a Boeing will tell you Airbus's fly-by-wire is superior

Fly by wire is lighter but lacks feedback. Personally I prefer the way the crown Vic with the old steering gear feels over even the epas on the lightning. I have no real clue what the wheels are doing with the truck, with the cv I know exactly what is going on. Honestly, the mechanical mixers on the Boeing jets are works of art, but maybe I’m a bit biased.

 

[Henry Ford]

Fly by wire is lighter but lacks feedback.

Steering feedback is far down the list of things I care about while driving a truck. The stop-to-stop rotation of a Lightning is something like 1800° while the Cybertruck steering wheel rotation is something like 180°. That makes the main driving interface much easier to use. That's a victory to everyone not driving a Porsche or writing car reviews.

Edit: the F150 rotation is probably 1000°-1200°ish, Cybertruck is 300°ish.

 

[lightspeed]

Steering feedback is far down the list of things I care about while driving a truck. The stop-to-stop rotation of a Lightning is something like 1800° while the Cybertruck steering wheel rotation is something like 180°. That makes the main driving interface much easier to use. That's a victory to everyone not driving a Porsche or writing car reviews.

That's interesting because the amount I have to rotate the steering wheel to navigate a parking lot is about 963 on my list of things I care about in a truck especially if the trade off is complexity and cost. Much, much higher in my priority would the utility features (not the urban luxury features) like:

- price
- payload/towing
- RANGE
- reliability
- cost to repair

I'm like the CT aesthetic enough, but am disappointed that they prioritized luxury features over price and utility. I'm really not sure who the customer is for the CT.

But based on where Tesla positioned it, it's competitive with the other EV trucks. (If anything, the Lightning value proposition looks better after the CT reveal.) The CT didn't blow the others out of the water or become the clear choice. It's just another expensive option for well off people.

 

[TheWoo]

Obvious install/removal logistics notwithstanding. Personally, I would like to see a rental model, where one could swing by their local Tesla showroom, have it dropped into the best and connected, and then roll out.

This would be awesome. The logistics are probably pretty significant (tools/training needed, inventory of batteries, etc) but I'd certainly rent a battery pack for long trips when another 100+ miles of range would be handy. If all I had to do was make an appointment at the Ford dealership, spend an hour hanging out while they installed it, and then do the same on the backside, I'd do it a couple times a year.

Steering feedback is far down the list of things I care about while driving a truck. The stop-to-stop rotation of a Lightning is something like 1800° while the Cybertruck steering wheel rotation is something like 180°. That makes the main driving interface much easier to use. That's a victory to everyone not driving a Porsche or writing car reviews.

Everything will be steer-by-wire eventually, and for most people it'll be a huge improvement that they won't necessarily notice. Being able to turn tightly without having to go multiple turns would be one of the biggest improvements my wife would appreciate about driving the Lightning. It makes a big vehicle feel smaller and more maneuverable even if it actually isn't.

I'd love to have significantly tighter steering in the lightning.

SBW also, of course, allows for adjustability to steering tightness in different conditions and speed.

 

[F150ROD]

Just looking at reviews it “drives like a car”

At one point I was looking at a Ridgeline and ended up in a Colorado because the Ridgeline was too similar to driving a Car.

I am assuming those wanting a car with a bed is the market. I honestly don’t see many ICE Truck converts anytime soon.

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