EV Charging Network Will Target Interstates Before Expanding Into Remote Rural and Crowded Urban Areas

[hturnerfamily]

and just like most apartment and townhome complexes have to expand, expand, and add more and more parking options for the shear numbers of 'cars per household', as compared to only 20 years ago, those same 'rental' families will need 'at home' charging options - with new apartments and complexes offering this more and more as a 'draw', or amenity, for renting there.
I eventually see almost every parking space having a simple 240v 30amp outlet, or even a J1772 240v charger post... it will become 'common', and will become expected, just like an internet option, or a connection, is 'expected' for every home.
Yes, the apartment renter will 'pay' for this pleasure, but they'll also no longer be 'paying' to stop at a fuel station.

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[hturnerfamily]

as my wife and I came back thru Cordele, GA, right off interstate I75 N/S between Detroit and S Florida, which MANY MANY vehicles travel everyday, we noticed the Walmart ElectrifyAmerica 8 post DC Fast Charger station had not a single vehicle, while the brand new 10 station TESLA SuperChargers, just down the street in a vacant mall parking lot, had 4 or 5 vehicles charging, and almost ALWAYS does. That's a big ADVERTISEMENT for Tesla, not so much for other brands. - If most common folks would even KNOW of any other 'ElectricVehicle' brands!

 

[shutterbug]

and just like most apartment and townhome complexes have to expand, expand, and add more and more parking options for the shear numbers of 'cars per household', as compared to only 20 years ago, those same 'rental' families will need 'at home' charging options - with new apartments and complexes offering this more and more as a 'draw', or amenity, for renting there.

In addition to home charging, workplace charging would be a big plus.

I eventually see almost every parking space having a simple 240v 30amp outlet, or even a J1772 240v charger post... it will become 'common', and will become expected, just like an internet option, or a connection, is 'expected' for every home.

Most people don't need to charge every day, hence the ration of charge plugs to parking spaces needs to be less than 1. I would think that 25% will be plenty in most places.

 

[sotek2345]

In addition to home charging, workplace charging would be a big plus.

Most people don't need to charge every day, hence the ration of charge plugs to parking spaces needs to be less than 1. I would think that 25% will be plenty in most places.

Depends if it is assigned parking or not. If every apartment gets 1 assigned spot, then they all have to have charging.

 

[shutterbug]

Depends if it is assigned parking or not. If every apartment gets 1 assigned spot, then they all have to have charging.

Those will simply be more expensive. My only experience living in a large rental complex, $100/month bought you one dedicated parking spot under cover. The 2nd and 3rd car had to park at large under the full Arizona sun. So figure another $200/month in rent for a dedicated charging spot. Or 1 charger for every 2 spots.

 

[greenne]

I can see truck stops and larger gas stations making the investment on charger installation because they have more real estate to spare and because they have multiple ways to collect revenue from people waiting to charge. It's easy to spend money and time at a place like Buc-ee's or Love's on things like brisket, video poker and those weird glass figurines that they all seem to have.

In this case as long as the parking lot isn't full, an EA charger is a good deal. An empty space is space that isn't making money. As long as the chargers don't negatively impact your other business, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain as a truck stop/ga station owner.

 

[rdr854]

Existing Wawa, QuikTrip, Sheetz, Royal Farms, and the other regional pumper/convenience mega-marts are the locations that I think are most important to enlist for DCFC locations.

The Sheetz and WAWA in Manassas, VA already have them. One is Tesla based and the other is not.

 

[sotek2345]

Those will simply be more expensive. My only experience living in a large rental complex, $100/month bought you one dedicated parking spot under cover. The 2nd and 3rd car had to park at large under the full Arizona sun. So figure another $200/month in rent for a dedicated charging spot. Or 1 charger for every 2 spots.

Gotcha - never lived in an apartment complex myself. The only apartments I ever lived in didn't have any parking (just had to find something on the street) so I am not that familiar.

 

[Kanuck]

You also will have to factor in the extra cost of suppling power for these chargers witch increases the service size which in turn increases hydro rates, which get passed down to everybody in the complex. Where I live, once you pass a certain amount of power used, then your on demand billing. You are charged the highest power usage, even for 10 seconds of high draw once in a 30 day period, as if you used that for the whole month. I think this is going to cause friction between ICE owners and EV owners in the same complex. As an ICE owner, I would not want to pay for my neighbor's charging system in my rent because he has an EV.

 

[RickLightning]

You also will have to factor in the extra cost of suppling power for these chargers witch increases the service size which in turn increases hydro rates, which get passed down to everybody in the complex. Where I live, once you pass a certain amount of power used, then your on demand billing. You are charged the highest power usage, even for 10 seconds of high draw once in a 30 day period, as if you used that for the whole month. I think this is going to cause friction between ICE owners and EV owners in the same complex. As an ICE owner, I would not want to pay for my neighbor's charging system in my rent because he has an EV.

That type of electric utility billing is highly unusual.

 

[Sdctcher]

As EV adoption increases there will be increasing needs for public charging. Not only because more EVs mean more people charging, but more importantly the early adopters usually have at home charging. I would not own an EV without being able to charge at home. There will be a larger proportion of EV owners without at home charging as adoption increases thereby increasing the usage of DC charging, not just on trips, but regularly. The increase in EV adoption will not be convenient or acceptable to the public if there are not any convenient places to charge.

Less than 22% Charge at Home or at Work:

https://www.yahoo.com/video/charging-electric-car-home-isnt-100059318.html

 

[Kanuck]

That type of electric utility billing is highly unusual.

Not here. It is called Demand Billing.

 

[vandy1981]

Less than 22% Charge at Home or at Work:

https://www.yahoo.com/video/charging-electric-car-home-isnt-100059318.html

Your take on this is very misleading. A much larger percentage than you quote have 120v outlets accessible to their driveway and/or capability to add a 240v plug. 120v is suboptimal but sufficient for the average commute assuming you have an efficient vehicle. 120v would not work for something like the F150L, though.

Per the article,

"Respondents weren't asked whether they have an ordinary electrical outlet in their garage or near their driveway, which is all that's needed to plug in an EV. (A dedicated charger is faster, but isn't necessary.)"

 

[Sdctcher]

Your take in this is very misleading. A much larger percentage than you quote have 120v outlets accessible to their driveway and/or capability to add a 240v plug. 120v is suboptimal but sufficient for the average commute assuming you have an efficient vehicle. 120v would not work for something like the F150L, though.

Per the article,

"Respondents weren't asked whether they have an ordinary electrical outlet in their garage or near their driveway, which is all that's needed to plug in an EV. (A dedicated charger is faster, but isn't necessary.)"

I stand by my statement. It is an accurate snapshot in real time of what we have now, not what is possible.

There is a great need for local charge stations as much as on-the-road (per the title of this thread).

Having access to 120v/240v is only part of the solution. Until manufacturers supply FASTER LOCKABLE chargers along with vehicle purchase people will continue to take their chances with faster commercial stations. In most neighborhoods and/or apartment complexes I would never use a plug-in charger if I was not sure some idiot would not steal it from me overnight.

 

[RickLightning]

Not here. It is called Demand Billing.

I'm aware of what it's called. Just because it happens where you are, in Canada, doesn't mean that it's what the vast majority of electricity purchasers experience. Of course, "hydro" is also not what the vast majority of electricity purchasers have. In the US, water powers only 7% of electricity.

I would also point out several things:

- Residential and commercial rates can vary significantly.
- Utilities often want excess overnight generation to be utilized, and lower rates to incentivize it.
- You are in Canada. The US has approved $7.5B to improve our charging network. The subject of the thread is the US charging network, not Canada's. I have no idea how Canada is, or is not, investing to push towards EVs.

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