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Texan Dan and I both drive the Trinidad CO-Amarillo TX route fairly often. We both drive Extended Range trucks.

He posted in the thread "Tesla Supercharger Ford Compatability Date" on this forum about his experience making the trip through that charging desert beginning with 90% charge and ending with 20% in Amarillo while driving 60mph (if I remember correctly)--about 240 miles. There is a 3000 foot drop in elevation that makes that possible--and prevents the reverse Amarillo-Trinidad drive. (For that drive, one must go through Tucumcari and Wagon Mound NM where there are DC fast chargers because of the elevation gain).

My postscript to his post is this: I did the drive last week hitting the beginning of a snow storm in Trinidad. I charged to 90% and made it over Raton Pass driving in light to medium snow. (Temperature was about 32F from beginning to end by the way). The farther we went the more snow we encountered. Snowy roads with wet heavy snow. Driving about 60 mph. Icy sometimes slushy snow accumulated on the truck blocking sensors and accumulating on the truck including the wheel wells. I'm guessing it added a lot of weight in addition to our several hundred pound load in the truck from dogs, clothing, a bike rack, etc.

As we got close to Amarillo, ABRP was telling us we'd arrive with less than 5%. We slowed to 45 after Dalhart but the target arrival percentage still dropped. The last 40 miles or so we watched the arrival estimate drop and drop till we hit Amarillo at 1% just before arriving at Electrify America on the west side of town. Turning into the parking lot, I lost power completely--about a hundred yards from the charger! I was going to push the truck myself with my wife behind the wheel. But I turned off everything electrical I could (seat warmers particularly), and was able to re-start the motor (!) and make it the rest of the way to the charger.

The lesson I take from that is driving in wet, slushy snow with windy conditions even at 32F greatly reduces battery efficiency. It's the first time ABRP has come close to letting me down on its estimate of remaining charge at destination.

I'm eagerly awaiting the installation of fast chargers in Des Moines NM (en route) or the availability of the Tesla supercharger in Clayton NM for Fords before I attempt the route again in winter conditions. And I'm looking forward to making the Amarillo-Trinidad leg without having to go through Tucumcari and Wagon Mound.
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Having driven in snow my whole life I can tell you that my gas vehicles also suffered reduced range while driving in snow. Everything has to work harder to get through it.
Good news is that one day there will be more chargers.
 

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ABRP is awesome and has the most accurate estimates I've found. But I don't think it models precipitation very well. The only time I seem to find myself losing ground to its estimate is driving in heavyish rain (and I assume snow). But good to see it confirmed.
 

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I’m actually pretty surprised you made it 240 miles on 90% charge through freezing/snowy conditions. I wouldn’t have tried and i’m usually willing to push it. Any reason you didn’t charge to 100% first?
 
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A. I wasn't expecting such bad conditions.
B. I didn't expect that much range loss even under bad conditions.
C. The time to charge from 90 to 100%
 

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Great experience to share. When the weather isn't ideal, neither is the range. Headwinds catch me more times than I like to count. I'm lucky in that most if my travel paths have DCFCs within 60 miles so I can adjust when needed. Hope you get a DCFC on that route soon!
 

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To me, this is further reason why we really just need more chargers along highways. They don't need to be fancy, or even hyper-fast. I would settle for a single 50kW unit every 50 miles or so. You can even make them expensive to offset the installation cost and discourage casual use. But having this availability would nearly eliminate range anxiety because even if you have a situation like the OP you know won't be stranded.
 

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Texan Dan and I both drive the Trinidad CO-Amarillo TX route fairly often. We both drive Extended Range trucks.

He posted in the thread "Tesla Supercharger Ford Compatability Date" on this forum about his experience making the trip through that charging desert beginning with 90% charge and ending with 20% in Amarillo while driving 60mph (if I remember correctly)--about 240 miles. There is a 3000 foot drop in elevation that makes that possible--and prevents the reverse Amarillo-Trinidad drive. (For that drive, one must go through Tucumcari and Wagon Mound NM where there are DC fast chargers because of the elevation gain).

My postscript to his post is this: I did the drive last week hitting the beginning of a snow storm in Trinidad. I charged to 90% and made it over Raton Pass driving in light to medium snow. (Temperature was about 32F from beginning to end by the way). The farther we went the more snow we encountered. Snowy roads with wet heavy snow. Driving about 60 mph. Icy sometimes slushy snow accumulated on the truck blocking sensors and accumulating on the truck including the wheel wells. I'm guessing it added a lot of weight in addition to our several hundred pound load in the truck from dogs, clothing, a bike rack, etc.

As we got close to Amarillo, ABRP was telling us we'd arrive with less than 5%. We slowed to 45 after Dalhart but the target arrival percentage still dropped. The last 40 miles or so we watched the arrival estimate drop and drop till we hit Amarillo at 1% just before arriving at Electrify America on the west side of town. Turning into the parking lot, I lost power completely--about a hundred yards from the charger! I was going to push the truck myself with my wife behind the wheel. But I turned off everything electrical I could (seat warmers particularly), and was able to re-start the motor (!) and make it the rest of the way to the charger.

The lesson I take from that is driving in wet, slushy snow with windy conditions even at 32F greatly reduces battery efficiency. It's the first time ABRP has come close to letting me down on its estimate of remaining charge at destination.

I'm eagerly awaiting the installation of fast chargers in Des Moines NM (en route) or the availability of the Tesla supercharger in Clayton NM for Fords before I attempt the route again in winter conditions. And I'm looking forward to making the Amarillo-Trinidad leg without having to go through Tucumcari and Wagon Mound.
Thanks for that report - good to know for my first snowy season driving a Lightning!

Question for you - how are you using ABRP? Are you running it on your phone or your center display somehow? So far I have only used it's website for route-planning & such...

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For me, I just use ABRP as a planner (either on the computer or my phone) and take note of the charge levels that it wants me to hit at each stop. I don't like it's routing as much as Apple's (although it's better than Ford's)
 
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Thanks for that report - good to know for my first snowy season driving a Lightning!

Question for you - how are you using ABRP? Are you running it on your phone or your center display somehow? So far I have only used it's website for route-planning & such...

TIA
I'm running it on my center display but it connects through my Android phone via a USB port. I'm also using an OBDLink CX with the hope/expectation ABRP factors in my current truck readings.
 

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Texan Dan and I both drive the Trinidad CO-Amarillo TX route fairly often. We both drive Extended Range trucks.
We drive Flower Mound - Amarillo a couple of times a year (US 287). How are you getting from Ft. Worth to Amarillo? I have yet to attempt the trip in my truck because it's 340 miles and no DCFC along US 287. There is a Tesla V3 in Quanah I looking forward to opening this year.
 
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Great experience to share. When the weather isn't ideal, neither is the range. Headwinds catch me more times than I like to count. I'm lucky in that most if my travel paths have DCFCs within 60 miles so I can adjust when needed. Hope you get a DCFC on that route soon!
I watch the apps every day to see if any new chargers have come online! :)
We drive Flower Mound - Amarillo a couple of times a year (US 287). How are you getting from Ft. Worth to Amarillo? I have yet to attempt the trip in my truck because it's 340 miles and no DCFC along US 287. There is a Tesla V3 in Quanah I looking forward to opening this year.

Right. No direct way up 287 yet. We drive to Lubbock and spend the night at my mother in law (charge overnight at a Courtyard witk a 9kwh charger). We have also returned by routing to OKC on i40 from Amarillo and then south to DFW on i35. Lots of EA chargers--but
it lengthens the drive considerably.

Looked at i40 to Erick OK and then angling SE toward Lawton/Duncan on state roads but wary of Francis Energy chargers. Waiting on confirmation of their reliability. Also unsure about slower CCS chargers in Wichita Falls and Decatur at dealerships.
 
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For me, I just use ABRP as a planner (either on the computer or my phone) and take note of the charge levels that it wants me to hit at each stop. I don't like it's routing as much as Apple's (although it's better than Ford's)
Agree. I tend to rely on Google Maps for the best route from A to B.
 

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To me, this is further reason why we really just need more chargers along highways. They don't need to be fancy, or even hyper-fast. I would settle for a single 50kW unit every 50 miles or so. You can even make them expensive to offset the installation cost and discourage casual use. But having this availability would nearly eliminate range anxiety because even if you have a situation like the OP you know won't be stranded.
Which is exactly the purpose of NEVI. Every 50 miles.
 

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Which is exactly the purpose of NEVI. Every 50 miles.
Thanks Rick! I had heard of the program but I haven't read any details about that standards being set for the use of the funds.
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