A couple really fun charging questions.

[Jonny Hotnuts]

-How much has the Lightning raised your home power bill? (Assuming most of your charging is done at home).

-Will the Tesla to J1772 adapter allow me to use the Tesla superchargers now, or will there have to be a software update?

-What are the expected charge times and cost to charge an extended range battery at the different level charge stations? (From 40% to 100; only used my home charger.) I have seen them outside supermarkets . . . but have never tried one.

Sorry for the bone head questions. I'm new to all this plug in stuff; EV's.

~JH

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[hturnerfamily]

-How much has the Lightning raised your home power bill? (Assuming most of your charging is done at home). NONE, it's actually dropped, since now I am on a 'EV CHargeing' rate plan, with
1 1/2c p/kwh overnight charging

-Will the Tesla to J1772 adapter allow me to use the Tesla superchargers now, or will there have to be a software update? No, any J1772 adapter would only provide you Level 2 240v charging, not DC Fast Charging, or Tesla Superchargers. That will be a totally different adapter, and since no one has made one, at least until the Ford and Tesla partnership announcement, there are none on the market yet. And, yes, most likely Tesla will require THEIR app to activate and pay for charging at 'their' Superchargers. You'll find, though, that while this will be an option for us CCS owners, the other third-party DC Fast Chargers will typically be much cheaper, and much faster.

-What are the expected charge times and cost to charge an extended range battery at the different level charge stations? (From 40% to 100; only used my home charger.) I have seen them outside supermarkets . . . but have never tried one. Level 2 will take forever, and is basically only for emergencies, while traveling... but is o.k., if you are going to plug in for many, many hours while watching a movie, shopping for 1/2 a day, etc. These are really just 'convenience' charging options, and not for those who really need power fast. It's basically the same as your home charger, or maybe even less, at 240v.

DC Fast Chargers, like Electrify America, usually found in Walmart parking lots, and Chargepoint, and EVgo, etc, are the 'fast chargers' to use while traveling, but even they are all different in 'speed' and 'costs'.

Sorry for the bone head questions. I'm new to all this plug in stuff; EV's.

~JH

 

[spadesaspade]

• Power bill: Depends on how much you drive, weather conditions and the cost of power. Factor in 90% charging efficiency when charging at home.
  Example: 1000 miles driven uses about 500kW at 2 mi/kW. 500 x 20c/kWh = $100
• EV's need to communicate to fast chargers and vice versa. We need a software update to be able to use Tesla superchargers unless you are using one with the CCS port (limited to only in NY and California)
• I prefer using EA chargers and get speeds up to 160kWh until 60% and then the rate drops to 120kWh to 70ish% and then 60-80kWh from there on. If you use a slower charger, you'll get about 80% of its rated speed. Do the math. On my SR battery, EA takes about 35 minutes to go from 10-85% approximately. Slower chargers obviously take longer. My home charger is rated for 48A output and charges from 10-85% in about 7 hours. Keep in mind that it is the smaller battery (98kWh) vs your 130kWh. Its just math at the end.
  
  

 

[Maquis]

10.9 cents per kWh that I charge. Plus tax.

No.

In my case, $8.57 plus tax.

 

[RickLightning]

-How much has the Lightning raised your home power bill? (Assuming most of your charging is done at home).

-Will the Tesla to J1772 adapter allow me to use the Tesla superchargers now, or will there have to be a software update?

-What are the expected charge times and cost to charge an extended range battery at the different level charge stations? (From 40% to 100; only used my home charger.) I have seen them outside supermarkets . . . but have never tried one.

Sorry for the bone head questions. I'm new to all this plug in stuff; EV's.

~JH

1) Pretty useless answers, because a) what's my original bill? b) how much do I drive? and c) what's my electric rate?

2) There is no adapter you can buy now to use a Tesla SuperCharger. You can charge at Tesla Superchargers in NY (9) and CA (2). Otherwise, you have to wait until Spring 2024, unless Tesla opens more Magic Dock locations.

3) That's impossible to answer. Every level 2 or level 3 charger can be a different speed, be free, or have a charge. Try PlugShare.

 

[Amps]

-Will the Tesla to J1772 adapter allow me to use the Tesla superchargers now, or will there have to be a software update?

You'll need a NACS to CCS1 adapter (unobtanium right now). The future adapter won't work on Superchargers until Tesla whitelists your manufacturer and vehicle to charge and bill through their network. You can find Tesla Magic Dock Superchargers (11 locations total) to charge most CCS1 vehicles now.

 

[Ken]

The two tesla CCS locations in CA are shown on plugshare, they put in a filter that lets you search for it. The one in Placerville is great for Tahoe travel, but the one in Scotts Valley is a destination place unless you take back roads to/from the bay area.

 

[Amps]

The two tesla CCS locations in CA are shown on plugshare, they put in a filter that lets you search for it.

This Tesla link works to find Magic Docks, but you have to zoom in or out to see the red dot locations in New York or California, the only states they exist as of now:

https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bounds=47.58427245658065,-70.28873866258206,9.980161251127072,-124.73698085008205&zoom=6&filters=party

 

[jdmackes]

• Power bill: Depends on how much you drive, weather conditions and the cost of power. Factor in 90% charging efficiency when charging at home.
  Example: 1000 miles driven uses about 500kW at 2 mi/kW. 500 x 20c/kWh = $100
• EV's need to communicate to fast chargers and vice versa. We need a software update to be able to use Tesla superchargers unless you are using one with the CCS port (limited to only in NY and California)
• I prefer using EA chargers and get speeds up to 160kWh until 60% and then the rate drops to 120kWh to 70ish% and then 60-80kWh from there on. If you use a slower charger, you'll get about 80% of its rated speed. Do the math. On my SR battery, EA takes about 35 minutes to go from 10-85% approximately. Slower chargers obviously take longer. My home charger is rated for 48A output and charges from 10-85% in about 7 hours. Keep in mind that it is the smaller battery (98kWh) vs your 130kWh. Its just math at the end.
  

You're getting 160 kw on a SR battery? I thought the max was around 125 on those

 

[Tony Burgh]

My electric bill has increased by less than 50% of what my gasoline bill went down. That adds about $50 per month to my pocket. But I only drive about 7500 miles per year.

 

[Maquis]

My electric bill has increased by less than 50% of what my gasoline bill went down. That adds about $50 per month to my pocket. But I only drive about 7500 miles per year.

That’s a good way to look at it. The % will vary greatly, depending on local gasoline prices and electric rates. Mine’s probably in the neighborhood of 35% in the summer. Maybe 50% in the winter.

 

[TheBigBezo]

Charging at home is cheap for me, roughly 10-11 cents per KWh, so that's about 13-14$ to fill up the truck and based off my driving style / commute speeds I typically get 350+ miles a charge. I charge overnight on my 30A mobile cord once every couple weeks and it's done in the morning, maybe 12 hours tops if I'm a bit lower. I only go to 90%.

DC fast chargers take 30-45+ minutes to go from 20-80% typically. They offer different speeds, check the app plugshare to get an idea if they're working and not derated power wise. I get 150-175kW on 350kW stations and 130 on 150 stations. The hotter / colder it use or high demand due to multiple vehicles may lower those charging numbers and increase charging time.

 

[Ventorum94]

-How much has the Lightning raised your home power bill? (Assuming most of your charging is done at home).

-Will the Tesla to J1772 adapter allow me to use the Tesla superchargers now, or will there have to be a software update?

-What are the expected charge times and cost to charge an extended range battery at the different level charge stations? (From 40% to 100; only used my home charger.) I have seen them outside supermarkets . . . but have never tried one.

Sorry for the bone head questions. I'm new to all this plug in stuff; EV's.

~JH

With regard to the second question: there seems to be a lack of consideration for just how significant a design problem the Supercharger:CCS adapter is going to be. Tesla v3 Superchargers are capable of dispensing over 400A (and upcoming v4 will be capable of over 600A!). This requires one SERIOUS adapter design, for safety- that kind of current would turn the garage-variety Tesla:J1772 adapter to a puddle (or cloud!) of plastic. When we finally see a Supercharger adapter, it will probably be big, heavy, ugly, and expensive.
OR, worse, use of an adapter will de-rate the Supercharger to disappointing power levels.

 

[3rdgenfan]

Electric bill increased by an avg of $50 a month over what it was prior to the truck being purchased.

Got it at the end of last year and it now has 8k miles on it.

 

[Maquis]

With regard to the second question: there seems to be a lack of consideration for just how significant a design problem the Supercharger:CCS adapter is going to be. Tesla v3 Superchargers are capable of dispensing over 400A (and upcoming v4 will be capable of over 600A!). This requires one SERIOUS adapter design, for safety- that kind of current would turn the garage-variety Tesla:J1772 adapter to a puddle (or cloud!) of plastic. When we finally see a Supercharger adapter, it will probably be big, heavy, ugly, and expensive.
OR, worse, use of an adapter will de-rate the Supercharger to disappointing power levels.

J1772 is the AC charging protocol. Irrelevant in this context.

Tesla has NACS —> CCS deployed at Magic Dock locations. I haven’t used one, but several on here have successfully.

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