Tesla Supercharger Ford Compatability Date

[Maquis]

Great shot. I have only done DCFC a few times and there were always a display on charging station I could use to stop charging. How did you stop the charging session?

The best way to stop a DC charging session is to press the button on the charge port. When I stop using the charger screen, I always get an error in the vehicle.

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[MickeyAO]

Just wait until the cheapest M3 are no longer eligible for the full $7.5k tax credit at the start of the new year

Turns out they lose the entire $7.5k
https://www.evinfocus.com/cheapest-tesla-model-3s-to-lose-all-tax-credits/

 

[jetfixr1]

So I was chatting with the A2Z company that is making one of the adapters. Asked the about an extension cord for DC charging. They replied, yes they are also working on an extension cord:

​ Looking for an adapter for my CCS Ford Lightning for Tesla Superhcarging. I know you have one aleady. But the problem is the cord length because the Ford Lightning charge port is forward on the Driver side just in front of the door.

​ Any chance you could make an adapter with a 6 or 8 ft extension for high power DC fast charging?

A2Z EV Hi there. We are finishing up a DC extension cord which will be 3 to 9 ft. It should be available early 2024. We are doing safety testings.

I highly doubt Ford will manufacture their own adapters. Thats not their business. If A2Z is truly testing these adapters and extensions, then I hope Ford can endorse them as an official product. An extensions for a Tesla supercharger would be clutch.

 

[RickKeen]

So I was chatting with the A2Z company that is making one of the adapters. Asked them about an extension cord for DC charging. They replied, yes they are also working on an extension cord:

Looking for an adapter for my CCS Ford Lightning for Tesla Superhcarging. I know you have one aleady. But the problem is the cord length because the Ford Lightning charge port is forward on the driver side just in front of the door.​

Any chance you could make an adapter with a 6 or 8 ft extension for high power DC fast charging?​

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A2Z EV​

Hi there. We are finishing up a DC extension cord which will be 3 to 9 ft. It should be available early 2024. We are doing safety testings.​

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[queuewho]

So I was chatting with the A2Z company that is making one of the adapters. Asked them about an extension cord for DC charging. They replied, yes they are also working on an extension cord:

Looking for an adapter for my CCS Ford Lightning for Tesla Superhcarging. I know you have one aleady. But the problem is the cord length because the Ford Lightning charge port is forward on the driver side just in front of the door.​

Any chance you could make an adapter with a 6 or 8 ft extension for high power DC fast charging?​

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A2Z EV​

Hi there. We are finishing up a DC extension cord which will be 3 to 9 ft. It should be available early 2024. We are doing safety testings.​

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it will be interesting if so, because there's quite a lot of people here and on reddit saying an extension is 100% impossible.

 

[Pioneer74]

it will be interesting if so, because there's quite a lot of people here and on reddit saying an extension is 100% impossible.

Nothing is impossible. Without cable cooling, it would just be heavy. And probably expensive. But not impossible.

 

[RickLightning]

You can activate EA chargers by swiping in the app as noted. Works fine for me. I have never used the scan your phone option, had issues so never tried that way again.

Plug and Charge, P&C. Not P&P.

I have to laugh when people say they don't care about a 25% discount. Must not drive very much. At many EA locations, the rate is 56 cents per kWh. If you take a 600 mile trip, and leave with a full charge, that is a savings of:

600/1.7 = 353kWh

131×.8= 105 from home

353 - 105 = 248

248 x (56x.25) = $34.72 savings minus $7 fee = $27.42 savings on one 600 mile trip...

Also, for those that don't light their money on fire...

Costco members save 4% on EV charging. EA processes just fine. Ford does not, it is not coded as an EV charging company.

248 x (.56x.75) x .04= $4.17 more savings.

So, in one short 600 mile trip, EA saves $38.89 over Ford BlueOval network. That's 2 beers and 2 burgers...

 

[Jimbalf]

The best way to stop a DC charging session is to press the button on the charge port. When I stop using the charger screen, I always get an error in the vehicle.

Every action is done via the Tesla App. Undock, start charging, end charging are on the App. I have to admit these Tesla chargers look so simple. No screen, no buttons, no credit card reader. Not much to fail. I used the SC site near Ft Worth Texas a couple of times. This site even has a “Lightning” friendly configuration with a charger at right angles to the others one the end you can pull right up too.

 

[Maquis]

Every action is done via the Tesla App. Undock, start charging, end charging are on the App. I have to admit these Tesla chargers look so simple. No screen, no buttons, no credit card reader. Not much to fail. I used the SC site near Ft Worth Texas a couple of times. This site even has a “Lightning” friendly configuration with a charger at right angles to the others one the end you can pull right up too.

I would expect that stopping the session using the Tesla app will cause the truck to show a charging error. I’d be interested in hearing from someone who‘s done it.

 

[luebri]

You can activate EA chargers by swiping in the app as noted. Works fine for me. I have never used the scan your phone option, had issues so never tried that way again.

Plug and Charge, P&C. Not P&P.

I have to laugh when people say they don't care about a 25% discount. Must not drive very much. At many EA locations, the rate is 56 cents per kWh. If you take a 600 mile trip, and leave with a full charge, that is a savings of:

600/1.7 = 353kWh

131×.8= 105 from home

353 - 105 = 248

248 x (56x.25) = $34.72 savings minus $7 fee = $27.42 savings on one 600 mile trip...

Also, for those that don't light their money on fire...

Costco members save 4% on EV charging. EA processes just fine. Ford does not, it is not coded as an EV charging company.

248 x (.56x.75) x .04= $4.17 more savings.

So, in one short 600 mile trip, EA saves $38.89 over Ford BlueOval network. That's 2 beers and 2 burgers...

Well I’m a 100% believer in time is money. So across a 600 mile road trip, I’m probably taking the gasser. Especially at $2.70 a gallon, and in winter.

 

[GDN]

Every action is done via the Tesla App. Undock, start charging, end charging are on the App. I have to admit these Tesla chargers look so simple. No screen, no buttons, no credit card reader. Not much to fail. I used the SC site near Ft Worth Texas a couple of times. This site even has a “Lightning” friendly configuration with a charger at right angles to the others one the end you can pull right up too.

This simplicity is gold. However the govt is messing with that. For the new rules and money you must have a screen and cc reader - so the v4 SC'ers that are just being rolled out have those options. Tesla has a beautiful world now, changes are coming however.

 

[GDN]

I would expect that stopping the session using the Tesla app will cause the truck to show a charging error. I’d be interested in hearing from someone who‘s done it.

Over a year ago my first DCFC sessions would cause an error in the truck when stopping the session and using the screen on a Francis (Oklahoma) charger to stop the session.

However since then, using that very same Tesla charger in FW that has been mentioned and numerous times using the Francis chargers - stopping the session by pressing the button on the screen of the charger - I have NOT had an error in the truck for over a year.

 

[RickLightning]

Well I’m a 100% believer in time is money. So across a 600 mile road trip, I’m probably taking the gasser. Especially at $2.70 a gallon, and in winter.

I had the same mindset before retiring. With no kids in the vehicle, and no timetable that we have to make, what's the point of rushing to get there sooner?

On many trips over the years, I would push it and do 12, 14 hours in a day. I'd arrived tired and wired, and the next morning I'd feel it.

On a 1,200 mile trip to visit family, I'm not doing that in one day regardless of what I drive. Even driving the EV, if you plan the trip you're not adding a tremendous amount of time. It's around 18 hours of driving regardless. Charge at a hotel, hopefully for free, and that removes one charging stop. 3 stops each day, maybe 3.5 hours of charging not counting the hotel. If you figure during a gas drive you stop every 3 hours for a bathroom break of 15 minutes, that's a net increase of about 2.5 hours on an 18 hour drive.

As to cost, on our 4,708 mile trip, 36% of the charging was free...

 

[Danface]

How do you determine losing market share? Tesla will likely sell 1.8 million BEVs in 2023. Tesla still sells more BEVs than all US manufacturers combined. They also have positive margins. They lowered prices primarily to offset higher rates. It’s an affordability crisis that is affecting the entire industry’s. Fed QT worked, and a lot of people stopped buying vehicles. Ford just cut 2024 Lightning production in half. They don’t want to sell trucks for $40-60k. They need to sell at $80k and limit sales of cheaper trucks to make the platform viable. It’s possible CT production could exceed lightning production in 2024. The CCS charging network is getting worse, while the SC network strengthens and grows exponentially. I see SC access as a lifeline from Tesla. Tesla cannot convert the industry to electric alone and adequate DCFC coverage is mandatory. As someone who regularly DCFCs at EA and Tesla, it’s quite obvious who needed who. If Ford didn't announce SC access for 2024, Lightning new and used values would have suffered even more.

Telsa is lacking in fit and finish and frankly, in my humble opinion, their truck is plain ugly. The problem with an 80K truck is, unless you're an "ethusiast" like the folks on the forum, you aren't going to pay more to get all headaches and hassles of owning something that requires the amount of "overhead" that a BEV has.

ICE TRUCK
Go to your mechanic or any number of ones that can fix it
Stop for gas and get back on the road
Why would call an electrician to make using my transportation easy??
If it's cold, I just turn up the heat
Etc etc.

Yes, there are longer term reasons owning a BEV is good, environmental, PERHAPS a lower cost to maintain and maybe cheaper per mile but that's not important enough for a lot folks.

Telsa made BEV's cool but is that enough to sustain a broader market given the "hassles" of owning one??

 

[Tony Burgh]

Telsa is lacking in fit and finish and frankly, in my humble opinion, their truck is plain ugly. The problem with an 80K truck is, unless you're an "ethusiast" like the folks on the forum, you aren't going to pay more to get all headaches and hassles of owning something that requires the amount of "overhead" that a BEV has.

ICE TRUCK
Go to your mechanic or any number of ones that can fix it
Stop for gas and get back on the road
Why would call an electrician to make using my transportation easy??
If it's cold, I just turn up the heat
Etc etc.

Yes, there are longer term reasons owning a BEV is good, environmental, PERHAPS a lower cost to maintain and maybe cheaper per mile but that's not important enough for a lot folks.

Telsa made BEV's cool but is that enough to sustain a broader market given the "hassles" of owning one??

Every new technology comes with warts and problems. Kudos to Tesla for opening up the concept. If it was left to the Big 3 we would still be waiting.
Too many people buying Lightnings should not. (Just read all of the posts whining about problems of early technology because they jumped in without doing due diligence about BEV’s and pickup trucks.) Let some of them switch to Tesla’s truck. I don’t think the local electricians and plumbers will.

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