Ford Pro Charge Rates… Really.

[Smokewagun]

So I’ve read on Ford’s site that with the Pro Charger, on an 80amp circuit, it can charge a Lightning with an extended range battery at 30 miles per hour. But then, today, another ford site, I read 20. What is it?
My Ford Connected Charger with my 2022 standard range would charge as high as 32 miles in about an hour after 10pm when I’d watch the app. High 20’s wasn’t an issue.
My son and I are thinking of snagging two Flash trucks, and I have a 100 amp service in my barn. I’m trying to figure out how to effectively charge both trucks sharing a charger. If the Pro does actually 30 miles in an hour, it wouldn’t be an issue.
What are real charging rates y’all are seeing with the Pro? The Grizzl-E double seems like it has plenty of issues, and doles out sips of kW’s when charging two vehicles.

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[ciferguson37733]

Math for this:
220V * 80A = 17,600 watts

some efficiency lost in the conversion and mine says it is charging at 17.1 KW so let’s go with that.

if you get 2 mile per KW (that’s close and makes the math easy), it is 17.1 * 2 = 34.2 miles per hour.

if your charging a MME, it is limited by the car to about 10KW (I have one of these too). MME gets about 3 miles per KW so math is: 10.0*3 = 30 miles per hour.

So 30 miles per hour is a nice round figure that is easy to remember.

of course you can dial down the KW on the charger and of course you will get proportionally less - depending upon what you dial it down to.

 

[Tfarrell73]

24s only charge at 48amp max. This could explain

 

[sotek2345]

So I’ve read on Ford’s site that with the Pro Charger, on an 80amp circuit, it can charge a Lightning with an extended range battery at 30 miles per hour. But then, today, another ford site, I read 20. What is it?
My Ford Connected Charger with my 2022 standard range would charge as high as 32 miles in about an hour after 10pm when I’d watch the app. High 20’s wasn’t an issue.
My son and I are thinking of snagging two Flash trucks, and I have a 100 amp service in my barn. I’m trying to figure out how to effectively charge both trucks sharing a charger. If the Pro does actually 30 miles in an hour, it wouldn’t be an issue.
What are real charging rates y’all are seeing with the Pro? The Grizzl-E double seems like it has plenty of issues, and doles out sips of kW’s when charging two vehicles.

For our 2 vehicles, We ended up splitting the 100A circuit I had originally put in to 2 separate EVSEs with a sub-panel. The Ford Charge Station Pro I have set to 48A and we have a Grizzl-e set to 32A. Two slower chargers is far more convenient than 1 fast one that I need to switch back and forth.

 

[jimfigler]

they don't add miles they add energy. you can convert that energy to an estimated number of miles but its useless to have set estimated as mine may much better or worse than yours depending on our driving style

 

[Maquis]

Describing charge rate in “miles per hour” is an obfuscation.

You charge in KW. Knowing the KwH size of the battery enables you figure out how long it takes to get from x% to y% of charge. For example, if you charge the 131 KwH ER battery at net 13 KW, you charge at 10% per hour. City driving in the summer, you can go almost 40 miles on 10%. Highway in the winter, you might only go 12-15 miles on 10%.

ETA: Unless you can get a fleet model, 2024s have a max charge rate of 11.5 KW (gross input).

 

[potato]

My son and I are thinking of snagging two Flash trucks,

Flash is a 2024 trim, and all 2024s sold through retail channels charge at 48 amps max.

Any old info floating around that talks about charging at 80 amps refers only to 22-23 models (maybe only with the ER battery? not sure about that part) or to fleet ordered 2024 Pro models with a specific option to increase the charge rate.

 

[TaxmanHog]

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[RickLightning]

To clarify further, a 100amp service means 80amps of charging. Charging two vehicles simultaneously can be done multiple ways, including the Grizzl-E Duo, but it's only 40amps.

You could buy two EVSEs that can share a circuit, of which there are several makes. Then you could charge both vehicles at 40amps, or one vehicle at 48amps.

The least expensive option for simultaneous 40amp charging, but also 48amp charging if the other vehicle charges lower (or doesn't need a charge) is two Tesla Universal Wall Connectors, about $1,100 total. Your utility company MAY have rebates, and you MAY qualify for the 30% tax credit for chargers and installation on your federal return (location dependent). The chargers communicate via wire and allow simulataneous charging. https://amzn.to/3YbOqF8

 

[Smokewagun]

So, effectively, 10.2kW per hour? Depending on “mileage may vary” about 20 to 24 miles per hour charging if in the 2 to 2.4 mi/kW range.

 

[RickLightning]

So, effectively, 10.2kW per hour? Depending on “mileage may vary” about 20 to 24 miles per hour charging if in the 2 to 2.4 mi/kW range.

Yes, but no.

You can't pull 48amps x 2 from a 100amp circuit, as I just explained above (while you were typing).

Yes, but if you get 1.3 miles per kWh in the winter on the highway, then lower math. Stop thinking about miles per kW as far as charging goes...

 

[Tony Burgh]

So, effectively, 10.2kW per hour? Depending on “mileage may vary” about 20 to 24 miles per hour charging if in the 2 to 2.4 mi/kW range.

BINGO

 

[Smokewagun]

I’m kind of amazed at how many chargers have popped up since I traded off my 2022 lightning. It’s been under a year, but it’s staggering. Then, add all the Tesla chargers that are available, which I usually see vacant, and it seems to really Take hold of the rain, anxiety and throw it out the window. I can charge daily at home, and at work, unless my son gets a lightning at the same time and then we need to figure out how to share or piggyback two chargers. Not to convince the darling wife that I’m not stupid.

 

[RickLightning]

Keep in mind that Ford will either put in a charger for free (their charger) or give you $2,000. Take the $2,000...

 

[Smokewagun]

Yeah, taking the credit. Looks like that little Emporia 48A Charger is a good unit for under $400.

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